Can anyone explain how to best grade Washington Quarters?

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  1. Captain Sully

    Captain Sully Active Member

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  3. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Nah. Doug has stated many times in the past that he doesn’t grade based on pics. But to be fair this wasn’t a guess the grade. But boy did he come off as “mad” that PCGS called it choice BU…
     
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  4. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I did not know that. I will keep it in mind, and review the post I recall.
    That strikes me as odd, that a person would conclude anyone opining and grading from the photo must be right and the TPG are liars. Weird.
    Thank You.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, not at all. I usually refrain from posting in the guess the grade threads because it seems that too many people do not want to hear what I have to say because the vast majority of the time I'm going to disagree with the TPG. And when I do, then others want to argue about it. And it's simpler to just avoid that.

    No, I have never said that, and I wouldn't say that - because I grade coins for folks based on pics pretty much every day. And I have bene doing that for as long as I can remember. And even more than that, I teach others how to do it as well. That said, I may have said a few times that I could not or would not try to grade based on a given picture, specific picture, because of the picture itself. But those are exceptions, not the rule.

    And I have said that grading in hand is by far the best because pictures sometimes don't show you what you need to see. But when a picture does show you something, and wear is a good example, you simply can't say it isn't there because it is there.

    Well, kinda, but disgusted would be far more accurate. I think it is a downright shame that the TPGs have loosened their grading standards to the point that their grades are a joke. They over-grade just about everything in today's world, and often grossly over-grade. And they have been doing this for many years now, far too many years. Especially and particularly when it comes to grading coins with obvious wear as being MS. By definition, coins with wear cannot be graded as MS or uncirculated. But they do it anyway hundreds of times a day - every day !
     
  6. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Doug, it may have been a while back, and I don’t have the time to go hunt it down, but you’ve said you won’t do guess the grades in the past. Whether that’s because the pics were not good enough, I don’t recall. But I’ve seen those words from you and they stuck with me. But anyway…. Doesn’t matter. I get your point. When the coin comes in I’ll post a video of it. Perhaps you won’t be so disgusted then.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I readily admit I did say that. But that's definitely not the same thing as saying I would not try to grade coins based on pictures ! The reason I said I wouldn't participate in guess the grade threads anymore is what I explained above. It didn't have anything at all to do with pictures being used !

    (edited to add the word pictures above which I missed)
     
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  8. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Video of the coin. Link is safe. It’s my son’s YouTube acct. that I borrowed.
    https://youtube.com/shorts/5MKAOm-ttdw?feature=share
     
  9. Skyman

    Skyman Well-Known Member

    I would have graded it MS64. Clearly MS. I'm NOT as familiar with 1932 - 1939 Washingtons as 1940 - 1964, as the vast majority of my collecting Washingtons was the latter group. The toning IMO is what knocked it down even further than I thought. PCGS definitely does not like unattractively darker toned coins.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Personally, I find videos worse than worthless when trying to estimate the grade of a coin. And besides, I provided my estimate of grade on page 1 of this thread -

     
  11. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    All I ask is that you watch it. While not great it does show MS luster.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I did watch it - and before I posted my last comments. And yeah, the coin clearly shows luster, but almost all AU coins show luster. And the pictures you posted of the coin clearly show wear in a few places which make it an AU coin - not an MS coin.
     
  13. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

  14. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Nice piece.
     
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  15. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    I'm leaning towards the EF45, but an AU20/55 is possible. Aside from the hair curls and breast feathers I look at the olive leaf tip over the eagle's right wing (left as you're looking at it). All of the MS graded specimens I've seen have a well defined leaf tip. Which is odd because the left side does not seem to wear consistently with the right.
     
  16. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    It graded PCGS MS63
     
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  17. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    Back in the day, when Doug & I were considered young, any coin that you graded AU was supposed to show some luster.

    Today? Nah.
     
  18. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Here's a coin I'm excited about. Nice and original, with few meaningful marks, but not sure what to expect from the TPGs. Luster is complete in the darker areas.

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