I made a COA!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by JayAg47, Oct 17, 2021.

  1. JayAg47

    JayAg47 Well-Known Member

    I drew a crude COA on MS paint (so don't be hard on me), based on the coin issued by Uttama Chola (970-985 AD) celebrating the conquest of the neighboring kingdoms of Chera, and Pandya, signified as the Chola's royal emblem tiger flanked by the Pandya's royal twin fish to its right, and the Chera's royal bow behind the tiger, all regions brought under a single rule symbolized by the umbrella/parasol.
    The image shows the Chola's tiger standing on the Chera bow, and holding the twin fishes of Pandya in one hand and the other holding parasol above, and the field is azure to denote their naval dominance.
    Chola COA.png
    What's your opinion?
     
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  3. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    You're talented and this is not an irony.
    My drawing skills are below sea level and this was the situation in my entire life, so I definitely can't draw a tiger to look like yours - by hand or in MS Paint.
     
  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    What do you mean by COA? That's typically an acronym for Certificate of Authenticity. Cool graphic though.
     
  5. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    It's a coat of arms of a cat and some pretty upset fish
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    OH! Thanks for that clarification. Like John, I thought it meant Certificate of Authenticity and was trying to understand what the post meant.

    As a coat of arms, yes, very cool. Good job, @JayAg47 :).
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yes, COA usually = Certificate of Authenticity.

    But in this case, I think we can say it's a Cat Of Anarchy. ;)

    @seth77 is perceptive. Those fish do look pretty annoyed about the whole thing. :nailbiting:

    I play around with MS Paint a bit (the old, barebones version- haven't gotten used to that newer Paint 3D program), so I'm reasonably impressed.
     
  8. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I particularly like the airplane ears on the cat. My cats do that when I over-annoy them.
     
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  9. Tigermoth1

    Tigermoth1 Active Member

    Way COOL... wish the coin itself bore your COA, it would be so much easier to read. (I still haven't gotten over VISHNU's feet; that imagery just flew right over my head!)
     
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    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  11. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Nice, I like it. Thanks for sharing.
     
  12. Mammothtooth

    Mammothtooth Stand up Philosopher, Vodka Taster

    Nice, I like it. When stick men come in Vogue I will be Picasso
     
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  13. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    Nice picture. I thought I wanted to be an architect when I was in high school. My teacher told me I needed to find another profession. (I became a CPA.) He told me that I couldn't draw a straight line with a ruler.
    You have a real talent for drawing characters. Ever check with Disney?
     
  14. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    I like it. You have a style that fits really nicely with the contemporary designs.
     
  15. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    I like your picture, but i am afraid it would not have been acceptable at the time as it treads on the political susceptibilties of the period like an Indian elephant. The message as on the seal of Rajendra I was to convey unity (under Chola rule). Not "i have the Pandyas wiggling by their tails". The Pandyas were overpowered at the time, but it was a fragile peace. The Pandyas would have been gravely insulted by your emblem, enough to restart war. (Which finally did occur and ultimately led the Pandyas to defeat the Cholas in the 13th century AD)
     
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  16. Mike Thorne

    Mike Thorne Well-Known Member

    Or Change of Address.
     
  17. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    If the digression can be pardoned, I think it's a bit ironic, given my interest in numismatics, that the one actual coat of arms owned by one of my direct ancestors (very unusual for someone Jewish in the first place) depicted silver coins -- specifically known in heraldry as "bezants [or besants] d'argent." (The word bezant, as I understand it, is derived from Byzantium and was originally used in medieval Western Europe to refer to Byzantine gold solidi.)

    The ancestor in question was my 6th-great-grandfather (specifically, my maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother's maternal grandfather), Abraham ("Le Roux") Brunschwig, so-called because of his red hair. He was born in Bollwiller, Haut-Rhin, Alsace on 20 Aug 1671 (the exact date is known because his circumcision record survives), and died in 1740 (before August) in Cernay (a/k/a Sennheim), Haut-Rhin, Alsace; he was the son of Isaie Brunschwig, also known as "Le Roux," who died circa 1698. Here is a picture of Abraham's coat of arms:

    Abraham Bronsvich detail(Brunschwig), Juif - coat of arms, 1696.jpg

    I found this illustration in the Armorial Général de France, vol. 1, Haute et Basse Alsace (1696), at p. 511, illustrating in color the arms of "Abraham Bronsvich, Juif" (Armorial général de France par Charles d'Hozier (1696-XVIIIe siècle), Bibliothèque nationale de France (BnF), Département des manuscrits, français, Ms 32228 à 32262, available at http://www.chateauversailles-recher...nuscrites/armorial-general-de-france-par.html, with link to vol. 1 at http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1105860/f2.item -- 1er volume : Haute et basse Alsace (Bibliothèque nationale de France (BnF), Département des manuscrits, Français, Ms 32228; identifier ark:/12148/bpt6k1105860).)

    Here are the other relevant source citations from my family tree database, Google-translated where applicable from French to English:

    See D. Ingold, History of the Jewish Community of Cernay, in Yearbook of the Society for the History of the Regions of Thann-Guebwiller, Tome XVIII (1990-1992), pp. 27-34 at p. 29:

    "Around 1700, Abraham Brunschwig was apparently one of the most well-to-do Cerneans in the city, since he was granted, no doubt automatically for a fee, a coat of arms by the royal heraldist D'Hozier: 'De geules à six besants of silver, three, two and one. ' (Armorial of the Generalitat of Alsace, No 225) The 'besants' (old currency) which furnished his coat of arms were undoubtedly a fine allusion to his activities as a moneylender/pawnbroker.

    For description of arms, see Armorial of the Generality of Alsace, official collection drawn up by the orders of Louis XIV (A. Aubry, Paris, 1861) [link at http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/ bpt6k54062097 / f6.item.r = armorial% 20general% 20alsace% 201861.zoom], at p. 358, in section for Brisack and Colmar: "No 225. ABRAHAM BRONSVICH, Jewish; Porte gules with six bezants Argent, three, two and one."

    For manuscript version of description, see
    RELATED VOLUMES from the Cabinet of Titles: searches for nobility, armorials, proofs, genealogical histories. Armorial general of France, drawn up, under the edict of 1696, by Charles D'HOZIER. (1697-1709). I Alsace (1701), National Library of France, Department of Manuscripts, French 32194, at p. 682, No. 225. (Link to manuscript at http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10724045g/f2.image.r=armorial general alsace; identify ark: / 12148 / btv1b10724045g.)

    See also Les Brunschwig d'Uffholtz, by Denis Ingold, Revue du Cercle de Genealogy Juive, No. 97, January-March 2009, pp. 11-14 at p. 14, with black & white rendition of his coat of arms:

    "Coat of arms attributed to Abraham Brunschwig de Cernay by the royal heraldry (Armorial Brunschwig d'Alsace, circa 1700). Abraham was the son of Schay (Isaïe) Brunschwig dit le Roux. He was born in Bollwiller in 1671 and settled in Cernay with his father during the Dutch War. [King William's War, a / k / a the Nine Years' War, 1688-1697.]"

    Source citations for Abraham's circumcision date, i.e., the eighth day after his birth:

    See Mohelbuch de R. Simon Blum, as cited by Denis Ingold in his article Bollwiller, berceau des Grumbach, in Revue du Cercle de Généalogie Juive, No. 98, Avril-Juin 2009, pp. 5-9 at p. 7:

    Bollwiller, 1671: "Abraham fils d'Isaïe Brunschwig [également nommé Schey Brunschwig, 1672, Josias Brunschwig, 1659]."

    See also 37 Maajan (1995/4. Quartal), Part 1 of excerpts from Mohelbuch of R. Simon Blum, at p. 908, entry 14: Bollwiller, Abraham son of Isaïe, 21 Elul 5431, 27 Aug 1671; Sandik: Hirtz Kippenheim, brother-in-law of father.

    See also D. Ingold, Les Juifs à Cernay des origines au XVIIe siècle, in Archives Juives, No 31/1 (1er semestre 1998), pp. 72-78 at p. 76 & n. 22 ("Le fils de Schay Brunschwig [was] . . . Abraham, dit le Roux, comme son père, né à Bollwiller en 1671" [citing Mohelbuch entries for 1671]).
     
  18. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    They remind me of something Dr. Seuss would draw. Perhaps a fishy Thing One and Thing Two.
     
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