just in gb victoria "model" sovereign 1887

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  1. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    any body know about these?? i was told by seller it is a 245232182_412668110262139_3386204535715864235_n.jpg 244774811_392835869176843_6115863095623188013_n.jpg 245062938_1222658391547393_4217638718157316074_n.jpg 245109114_902382737065889_8852675121552283567_n.jpg pattern coin, low mintage, i paid about 11.00 does anyone know if real and what it is?? thanks for the help...john
     
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  3. JayAg47

    JayAg47 Well-Known Member

    A 'pattern coin' is a type of coin that is usually made as an example of a proposed design by the official mint and are extremely scarce, however the coin above is considerably smaller than even a dime when a Sovereign is 7.99g/22mm, and a 1/2 Sovereign is 3.99g/19mm.
    In this case, this coin is neither a pattern, nor a low mintage issue, but just a fantasy token of a Victorian gold sovereign! and I'll be asking the dealer for a refund.
     
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  4. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    The name of the manufacturer is on the coin - Lauer. These are generally termed "Toy money". They were produced in large numbers for schools and home enjoyment and education. Some, like the one shown, are close in design to the copied coin, whilst others are more fanciful. There are a number using Edward VII's portrait but as Prince of Wales.
    Although interesting, they are not scarce of valuable. I usually sell them at £1 or £2 as curios.
     
  5. goossen

    goossen Senior Member

    Not a pattern and not low mintage. Sadly the seller took advantage of you.
    But at least it wasn’t that expensive.
     
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  6. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    This is a model penny from about 1840...
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    The token you posted could be confused with the center of a model penny...
    by some who wasn't 'in the know' so to speak.

    Lauer Toy Coins (Nurnberg, Germany) 1830 to 1910,these coins are essentially play money for the British market.

    The inscription LAUER refers to the Lauer family who were famous for making tokens and medals. (Lauer, L. Chr.) based at Nuremberg in Bavaria, made many issues of toy coins for the English market and around the world. Their coins were sold through numerous agencies and companies within England. Lauer died in 1873 but the company continued to trade in his name. It was run by his widow and then their three sons, but after this it passed out of the control of the family. The company survived World War I but was destroyed before 1945.
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    Lauer made a lot of high end medals for the European Elite. Some of which are now in museums.
     
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  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    IMO, you bought a decent token in high grade for a nice price. I'm sure they are more common and considered to be cheap junk in England so cost much less over there.
     
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Fun little conversation pieces.
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  9. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

  10. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Some of these are well made! Here is one of mine not sure if this is made by Lauer as I cannot find an Numista entry for this type. Purportedly from the end of the 19th century. DSCN2224~3.JPG DSCN2225~3.JPG
     
  11. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    If I saw yours for $11 and mine for &5, I would have bought yours.
     
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  12. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Some of these pieces are a very well made testament to craftsmanship that is hard to find in your modern world.
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