background on Numismatic Crime

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Thanks for the post. Nice to see someone acting as a clearinghouse and intermediary to the law enforcement community.

But I scoured the site looking for any compilation of data such as number of incidents per year and total $ per year and found no data of any kind. I would have thought if the site wanted to galvanize people into action and response that a data-driven appeal would have some merit.

A quick scan of news reports listed on the site seemed to indicate that the big bucks were in counterfeiting, not theft. That's not to deny the trauma to the dealer who stopped for dinner after a show where the the thieves followed her and broke into her car while she was inside dining. But she broke the first rule which is don't leave your coins alone. I know a major national dealer who packs his lunch and eats on the road. I don't know and didn't ask what he does about calls of nature.

Every LCS I deal with has an electronic lock on the door and will buzz you in if they know you or your appearance doesn't raise the hackles. Some require a prior appointment. This year I sold over $100k in gold coins to one dealer under those circumstances and both he and I were armed and he drew the shop curtains while we conducted our business. We trusted each other, we just didn't trust anyone outside our little circle and that is only prudent.

 

You should fund such a study, if for no other reason than self-education. It would be a nice contribution to the community.

 

If you were targeted, that wouldn't help you. That is problem number one, that people believe they can never be a victim with enough guns and protection.

 

Well, I'm not the person claiming that coin theft is an epidemic problem in the U.S. You are, so perhaps you should be the person funding it.

BTW, note that I referred to your characterization as an "epidemic problem". Those aren't your words but I believe they accurately describe your position. If that is not your position, what is?

Now do I believe coin theft is a problem? Of course. But then I believe theft and crime are a problem regardless of the genre.

And once again, you have ducked the fundamental question which is: How big and serious is the US problem of coin theft? Only when we have a handle on that question can we seriously debate the amount and kind of resources we should devote to the problem.

Once again, you confuse efforts to reduce risk and minimize exposure with the impossibility of perfect protection. I have never heard anyone say that you entirely protect yourself with enough guns and protection. I have certainly never made or even implied that is the case. There are, of course, numerous instances where armed people have protected themselves and others from crime but it is not a perfect solution because nothing is a perfect solution. You are indulging in more hyperbole and committing the sin of putting words in other people's mouths.

 

This just drops you into troll class. You just don't get it and you're not interested. You're not interested in helping. You just want to argue. I have all the evidence needed, as does every reasonable person, how much coin theft there is. It is WAY over 50% of coin collectors get robbed of coins going back generations. The admins here have been robbed. My father was robbed. I was robbed right out of the dorms safe. My local coin dealer was robbed 3 weeks ago. My great grandparents had been robbed of their coins 40 years ago. One would be hard pressed to find someone who is a collector for any substantial amount of time who hasn't been robbed of coins. And the market continues to operate as if there is no problem, while it absorbs nearly every stolen coin.

You have security up the whazzo at every major coin show and STILL every week we get a news worthy coin thefts. It's well known that theft of coin collections is everywhere. I would guess that more than 80% of collectors have had coins stolen from them.

But it would be useful to get some real stats. Since most thefts aren't even reported, that would make it harder. But you can make a contributribution too all of us and build up some hard numbers, if that is your passion. It is not your passion. Your passion is to win an argument on the internet.

Getting some hard numbers would be useful for lobbying, and promoting a handle on this problem. But you would rather just want to troll.

/dev/null

There are better things to do and win an argument with a troll.

 

A statement like this makes you lose credibility.

I've collected for almost 50 years. My brother has collected for longer than that. A cousin has collected for close to 70 years. None of us has ever been robbed. I'd be willing to bet most long-time collectors on this site have never been robbed either.

And a statement like this makes you lose respect.

 

It's not for me to question your honesty. You must be right.



You're in a safe bubble and proof that nothing is wrong.

https://coinweek.com/people-in-the-...e-information-center-update-for-july-13-2018/

Residential Burglary
Confederate & Southern States Obsolete currency was the target of a residential burglary in Raleigh, North Carolina on the night of June 14 or 15, 2018. The suspects entered the residence and torched the safe.

Stolen Currency:

• $5.00 Sailor on Cotton
• $1.00 Steamship & Lucy Pickens
• $5.00 Capitol in Richmond
• $1.00 Clement Clay
• $10.00 Hope w/ Anchor
• $1.00 Clement Cay
• 50 cents Side profile bust
• $10.00 Ceres & Commerce w/Urn
• $2.00 Clement Clay
• 2 $10.00 Capital in Columbia SC
• $2.00 Judah P. Benjamin
• $10.00 Sweet Potato Dinner
• $2.00 JP Benjamin & South Strikes down Union
• $2.00 Judah P. Benjamin
• $2.00 pink Judah P. Benjamin
• $5.00 Standing Sailor
• $2.00 Judah P. Benjamin 2
• $20.00 AH Stephens
• $20.00 Sailing Ship
• 2 $50.00 Jefferson Davis
• 2 $5.00 red Richmond Capitol
• $20.00 Navigation & Beehive
• $5.00 Capitol in Richmond
• $100 Lucy Pickens
• $5.00 pink Richmond Capitol
• $10.00 Slave picking Cotton
• $50.00 George Washington
• $10 Ceres & Cotton Bales
• 2 $10.00 Horse Soldiers pulling Cannons
• $50.00 Jefferson Davis
• $20.00 Alexander H. Stephens
• XX $10.00 pink Horses pulling Cannons
• $20.00 AH Stephens
• $100.00 Men Loading Cotton
• $100.00 Train & Maiden
• 2 $20.00 VP Alexander H. Stephens
• $20.00 3-Mast Ship
• $100 Slaves hoeing Cotton
• $500.00 red Stonewall Jackson
• $50.00 Jefferson Davis

Obsolete: Approx 5-8, all denominations from 5 cents to $20.00
SC Obsolete: Maybe 5, Columbia & Charleston
GA Obsolete: Almost all are Savannah Notes approx 7-10 Notes, Almost all Savannah Notes
AL Obsolete: Only 1 Note
LA Obsolete: A $10.00 “DIX” Note.

Multiples of above CSA notes, a couple or so cancelled. Two with different reverse with Roman Numerals. One with heavy type overlay on reverse.

Anyone with information contact Detective Krepp at (919) 946-3555.

 

Sorry, but you won’t be making any friends here with personal attacks. If you want to make it right you could apologize and edit your post. That’s up to you of course.

 

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but the OP has a habit of insisting his opinion is fact in some recent threads. When asked for any type of data to support his opinion, he keeps going back to the "this has happened to many" or "many know this" and when confronted with data that contradicts his opinion, he simply says it's wrong and gives some convoluted reasoning that makes no sense. Also, if you have have to audacity to question his opinion, you're labeled a troll.

IMO, it's best to not engage the OP when he starts confusing his subjective opinions with absolute truths. By now, most members should be able to figure out the quality and credibility of his threads.

 

That's what I normally do, but the name-calling tripped my trigger. In 7 years on this site I've never put anyone on 'ignore', but it's time to end that streak.

 

Amen.

 

We had a theft in our home when I was about 13. It seems that the thief snuck into our home and stole a Peace Dollar out of my mother's purse. As you can imagine, she was terribly upset. However, a store owner in town had a customer that bought a bunch of candy and paid for it with a Peace Dollar. The store owner was a classmate of my mother and she had told him that someone had stolen a Peace Dollar out of her purse. The store owner told her that someone had used the Peace Dollar to pay for candy. He gave the Peace Dollar to my mother and the description of the customer.
When she got home, she let me know that she got her Peace Dollar back and she had also confiscated all of my candy. My Dad was in Korea at the time, so she took his place and gave me a few licks with his belt and I was restricted to my room except for dinner and trips to the bathroom.
I learned a valuable lesson. Crime does not pay, especially with my mother, thank God. I never, ever took anything that wasn't mine after that and became a State Auditor.

 

If someone really sets their mind to rob someone then I would think it hard to prevent such robbery with 24 hours in a day and 352 days in a year. Feel bad for those of whom have been hit. Guess best to be under the radar if one is a collector but hard to do that if one is a dealer.

 

Well said. The OP just makes up stuff and insults those that don't agree. Reading all the false information he post is a waste of time. We all need to start reporting his insulting remarks.

 

Sorry, you used quality and credibility when describing his posts. Had me confused for a moment till I realized the context of the sentence.

 

My local LCS (really a b ullion store) has the electronic locks and I have been present when the lock was set and for very good reasons. I just makes sense. I have had a couple of individuals contact me and wanted to meet with me to discuss purchasing coins from them, knowing I would probably be carrying cash, I told them as I tell EVERYONE i meet with, Yes, I will meet with you in the parking lot infront of the Police Department, Most agree, but a few havent. I just do not want to be in a position to put a bullethole in someone.
Semper Fi
Phil

 

The article mentioned a change in their MO but only seemed to imply that change was from robbing dealers on theri way home to also robbing collectors on theri way home. That isn't a change and that MO has been in use for at least 70 years (follow, wait for them to stop and get something to eat, and then do a smash and grab of the coins from their vehicles while they are in eating. Like I said, been going on for 70 years, the dealers and collectors know about it, and they still leave their stuff unattended.