Details grade why?

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  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    You know, a dealer or a collector might have thought it was just toned. Gave it a quick dip and put it in a folder.
    I don't know the reverse has a very deep red luster. The reverse shows definite radial flow lines, albeit a weak strike. Given the 4.6g weight.
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

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    Too me the coin shows circulation and not a cleaned surface.
    The copper surely could be gaining a skin in the slab, If it did get dipped. I can see this coin in pink for sure.
     
  6. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    biggest problem with error coins is that when someone without numismatic experience the first thing they do is think, hmm that's not right so they take the bottom of their shirt and start rubbing the heck out of the coin. With that said I don't see anything that screams details on this coin it looks like average circulation issues but some people are a higher grade level than me on error's lol
     
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Hey, Chris, @cpm9ball can you post yours, and what does it weigh?
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Details grade why?

    The answer to why they gave it a details grade is printed on the slab in the form of a number.
     
  9. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Upon request by P&G, here it is again, and I've tagged both @Cheech9712 and @masterswimmer because they like to see it, too!

    P&G - I don't know what it weighs because I didn't think of weighing it before I submitted it to NGC, and I didn't ask them to weigh it either. It wasn't like I was questioning its authenticity as someone might if they found it in circulation after it had toned. It came right out of a Mint bag.

    2001-D 50c REV Slab.jpg
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Doug, do you think that is damage along the rim between 9 & 11 o'clock on the reverse? I can't see anything else that would be considered damage.
     
  11. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Just a guess, but maybe they felt the splotchy color on the rev and toning on the obv, were indicative of environmental damage or improper cleaning.
     
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  12. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Why not just research the number on the slab to resolve the "details" mystery. Also, to me, the Kennedy missing the clad in the photo is not the same as "details"...rather indeed an error as noted but also with a straight grade. Many others if not most should be done this same way...not relegated to just "details."
     
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  13. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Thanks Doug, I learned something today.
     
  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It is ANACS, says cleaned.
     
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  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Could be there is some definite toning seen on the obverse not usual for a circulated Washington, The reverse has a lot of light silverish toning that is seen on some proof Lincolns.
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  16. Mountain Man

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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    When the TPGs put cleaned on the slab like that it's shorthand for harshly and or improperly cleaned. And what you're wondering is why they said that about that particular coin because you're not sure, you don't really see signs of it.

    Well, that because there are more ways than you can count to harshly/improperly clean a coin, and most of them have different identifying characteristics that unless you know what you're looking at, you simply don't or can't see it. And a lot of the time you have to have the coin in hand to see it.

    In this case I suspect it has to do with the work that was done on the reverse, it looks like an acid was used, and incorrectly. And that translates into harshly/improperly cleaned. Could I be wrong ? Yeah, but I don't think I am.

    By the way, the numbers I was talking about, that's what PCGS uses, it's how they do it. When I saw the first pics, I thought, and incorrectly so, that that it was a PCGS slab because it was clear.
     
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  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    In the final image it definitely has a cleaned appearance to it.
     
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  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    What the tone? It could very well have been dipped.
     
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Which with copper would result in an off color and a Cleaned designation.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And all coin dips contain acid, just as I described in my previous post. And I wouldn't say "dipped" as only the reverse was treated.
     
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