1897 1 in neck chemically enhanced

I guess the term "market acceptable" applies here.

 

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I really detest this type of individua. IF you have any dealings with him and know he has artificially toned any of the coins SLAM HIM ON REMARKS. Maybe if enough people do it it will hit him where it hurts.
Semper Fi

 

I was mistaken on what he paid me for it. I didn't realize it was less than 90 days, so, it still shows up for me.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/403086237791

 

When that seller first started listing i got beat on a couple auctions of his, by 1 increment over my max, by a bidder with very low feedback and a very high bid % with that seller. I don't bid on his stuff anymore.

 

You mean it looked like he wanted more and used a phantom bidder?

 

Yes, that's what it looked like to me. Not absolute proof of shill bidding, but enough evidence of it to make me not want to bid anymore.

 

Either that or the other guy always uses a nuclear bid which then only beats the next highest bid by 1 increment.

 

Some crooked sellers have been using shill bidding for years and have gotten away with it.

 

NGC will treat copper like this and produce the same result if you ask for conservation. How do you know he is doing it and not NGC? Either way, if they think it is market acceptable, what's the problem?

 

Is it possible that this seller was employed by NGC and learned the "conservation" process while there ?

 

I have won a number of auctions from this seller and have never seen any evidence that would lead me to suspect shill bidding. Of course, if it was done skillfully I would probably not be able to detect it.

And yes, he is (in)famous for having toned coins both raw and in NGC slabs (never PCGS). You'd have to be pretty naive to not suspect some coin doctoring going on. But except for a few raw IHCs early on, I now restrict myself to his NGC offerings and then carefully.

 

Exactly my thoughts. After reading through this thread again, I still fail to see what the dealer did wrong. If NCS conserves a coin which ends up having blue/purple hues that’s ok, but if a dealer does the same thing and NGC straight grades the coin then that’s not ok…?

 

Let's have everybody send in their AU coins for conserving then. They might even come back as a 66. That's what the Indian and CWT were when I had them, AU. I had a set of Indians back in the 1990's, I had all brown coins from XF-MS and none of them looked like these, because they were natural. Even slabbed brown coins looked completely different back then. I guess I'm a purist and old-fashioned about brown coins, my bad.

 

I've bought 3 or 4 from Great Collections that I'm sure were from him. A couple in NGC slabs and a couple in Anacs slabs. So far none have crossed. I bought these a year or two ago. I won't even look at an NGC Lincoln now that has any affiliation with mikesmountainvalues.

 

He makes CNs look so unnatural. BTW, this is a Snow-1 if you're into varieties.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185068890201

 

Pretty much all of his IHCs have the same toning; hmmm. What I don't get are the high bids he gets. Go to PCGS Coin values and most of the high, recent NGC sales are from him.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but what does the "MPD" on the slab stand for?

 

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