Can anyone ID this left-facing antoninianus?

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  1. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    Hi all!

    I've had this coin for a while now, but have been struggling to properly ID it. It has a left facing bust on the obverse (possibly holding a sceptre), and PAX AVG reverse.

    Screenshot_20210921-165418.jpg

    I initially thought it might be Probus, but it doesn't seem to fit his style. It also may be barbarous.

    Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Silhouette looks like that of Claudius II.
    Hard to tell more, and might very well be wrong though...

    Q
     
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  4. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Sure are lots of letters on that obverse. Only one with that long of a name that comes to mind might be Quintillus.
     
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  5. Claudius_Gothicus

    Claudius_Gothicus Well-Known Member

    That's a very interesting find, @Harry G! The coin is certainly one of Claudius II, with the legend, style and reverse type of the Siscia mint. It would appear to be a previously unknown combination of the "Pax standing" type of his 3rd emission alongside a radiate and cuirassed bust left with spear, also used in that emission. Here's one of thos Pax coins from my collection, as well as one of those busts:
    IMP CLAVDIVS AVG - PAX AVG (2).jpg
    Claudius II (268-270), Antoninianus, Siscia mint.
    Obverse: IMP CLAVDIVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind;
    Reverse: PA-X A-VG, Pax standing left, holding olive branch in right hand and transverse sceptre in left hand;
    RIC V 186, RIC V Online 747
    [​IMG]
    (Image courtesy of Leu Numismatik)

    However, the fact that this coin is unlisted, combined with the poor quality flan and the unusual lettering, as well as the style of the bust, makes me think that it is probably an imitation, though a very interesting and unusual one at that! I think the only way to know would be to examine it closely in hand.

    Edit: I've just seen @ambr0zie's answer and I think it could be a possibility as well, though I find the Claudius II hypothesis to be more likely. Again, I think a photo might not be enough to get a correct anwer.
     
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  7. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

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  8. froggycoins

    froggycoins Member

    Hello
    Maybe it could be a Victorinus left headed ??
     
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  9. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    The bust is holding a spear over the right shoulder and possibly a shield(?) and there is also a letter to the left of Pax -- possibly B?

    From that, a Numerian from Lyon would fit.
     
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  10. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    I have a free acsearch account, allowing me to see photos, but I can't see prices. Good enough. I recommend it as it's one of the best search engines.
    Here is the coin I mentioned - left facing bust with spear + PAX AVG with transverse spear and B in left field.
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  11. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    I'll second barbarous Claudius II although a very intriguing one.
     
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  12. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I kind of like the Numerian angle here, the letters seem to fit
     
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  13. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    Hi all!

    Sorry to bump this old thread.

    I was researching a different coin, when by sheer coincidence, I saw this barbarous antoninianus of Victorinus (?) on acsearch. The reverse die looks identical to mine (minus the star), and the obverse is very similar, and is also probably a die match

    left facing victorinus.jpg
    left facing victorinus 2.jpg
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3259134

    https://www.sixbid.com/de/paul-fran...=large&auctionSessions=&sidebarIsSticky=false

    Lot 916. Coins from local Gallic mints - Monnayage d'ateliers gaulois irréguliers
    IMITATIONS IN THE NAME OF VICTORINUS, 269-271 / IMITATIONS AU NOM DE VICTORIN, 269-271

    Antoninian. False script. Left bust with pc. Rv / PA – X - AVG / V– * Pax with branch and scepter to the left. See AGK 14b. Cunetio -. Normanby -. 2.63 g. 9 h.
    Rarely! The model is the rare Antoninian from Trier with the left bust AGK 14 - Imitation du rare antoninien trévire AGK 14.

    The obverse legend seems to be [...]SVLP VAL C CO IIII

    This mystery seems to be solved now lol.
     
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