New gold ancient, I'm never gonna finish the year of the four emperors

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by roman99, Sep 20, 2021.

  1. roman99

    roman99 Well-Known Member

    I visited the San Jose coin show this Friday, with the express goal of purchasing Galba or Otho, or hopefully both! After hours of searching, I was not able to find the correct coin for the correct price. I did happen upon a really reasonably priced Phocas Solidus. So for just about $400, I've added the second gold ancient to my collection. My main reasons for purchasing this were;
    - It is a beautiful coin, with a nice and sharp portrait of the emperor.
    - Phocas is infamous for just how terrible of an emperor he was, and that kinda adds some interest to me regarding coins of Phocas.
    - It's cheap ancient gold.
    - I didn't want to leave the show empty-handed.
    On the downside, I've spent quite a bit at the show on this and quite a few other coins, so that means it's gonna be another month or two before I try taking a stab at Galba and/or Otho.

    Anyways, here's my new coin

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    Phocas, AV Solidus
    607-609 CE, Constantinople mint
    20.5mm, 4.46 grams
    Obverse: DN FOCAS PERP AVG
    Reverse: VICTORIA AVGVS, CONOB in exergue
    SB 620
    Video of the coin;
     
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It reminds me of my first gold ancient (E not S). Mine was only $115 but melt was lower in 1992. $230 give or take melt value now? Is this one of my better coin investments??? Doubled in only 39 years?
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  4. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    roman, I think you made a good buy for the money :happy:. Prices for even the most common Byzantine gold coins have been escalating the last couple of years. The coin pictured below (the same type & officina as the coin Doug posted) cost me $660.00 about 2 1/2 years ago.
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    Five days ago the coin pictured below sold at a Heritage auction for $1,140.00 :jawdrop:!

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    Most of the gold coinage of Phocas is very crude :sour:. There was a vast improvement in quality by the succeeding emperor Heraclius, as the coin below shows :happy:.
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    A solidus for $400, that isn't beat up and ugly? Sounds good to me. Cool portrait.

    I'd have gone there, obverse scratches notwithstanding. Neat pickup.

    Best of luck on Galba and Otho. You'll get 'em.
     
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  6. Campbell Miller

    Campbell Miller Well-Known Member

    This is my only solidus of Phocas. I paid well above the estimated value at a CNG auction for it (of course they place their estimates at low prices). I agree about the price of Byzantine gold rising. But $400 is a great price for that coin!

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  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...it is a wise person who can change their mind:)
     
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  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    That's a good price. I dropped $700 for a nomisma of Constantine IX. I also have a Theo II which was $1200.
     
  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    That's a good price. I dropped $700 for a nomisma of Constantine IX. I also have a Theo II which was $1200.
     
  10. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Great buy, @roman99! My solidi of Arcadius and Honorius (my only two ancient gold coins) were both around $1,000 at retail, and it took me quite a while to find examples in decent condition for that low a price. I do think that the earlier solidi (4th century and early 5th century) tend to be more expensive in general than many of the later ones -- perhaps because they still look more like "Roman" than "Byzantine" coins. But they're still no more than one-third or so as expensive as the cheapest aurei, which seem to be mediocre aurei of Nero for whatever reason. Barring some unexpectedly massive influx of cash (lottery win; inheritance from unknown relative; etc.!), I don't think aurei are in my collecting future.
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I've often wondered why most of the more "affordable" aurei seem to be Neros.
     
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  12. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Nice!

    I also made a completely unplanned Phocas purchase as well a couple years ago - couldn't pass up the slightly-more-realistic-than-usual portrait!
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    I think I paid under melt (at today's prices) for this one - Can't beat that for 1400 year old gold!
     
  13. Hrefn

    Hrefn Well-Known Member

    A consular solidus of Phocas. upload_2021-9-20_17-51-49.jpeg
    Paid $525 for this almost 30 years ago. I would be a bit more picky today, about the die rust around the cross on the obverse, (or perhaps the cross is bursting into flame because of Phocas’ wicked nature.)
     
  14. happy_collector

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  15. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    I think you did very well, @roman99.
     
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