Let's See Your Doge Coin

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  1. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    No, not THAT Doge coin...
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    I've admired these coins for awhile for their Byzantine stylings and was finally able to find examples in my price range.

    The office of Venice's Doge was established in 697 AD when Venice was subordinate to Byzantium. The title was not hereditary but instead was an official from Venice's aristocracy who was elected for life. A Doge ruled over Venice from 726-1797 and there were a total of 120 of them. Below are the 2 that arrived in my mailbox today.

    Pietro Gradenigo (1251 – 13 August 1311) was the 49th Doge of Venice, reigning from 1289 to his death.
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    In 1308, Venice became involved in a war with the Papacy, and Doge Pietro was excommunicated by Pope Clement V which barred all Christians from engaging in trade with Venice. In 1310, A coup was attempted but thwarted. Doge Pietro died the next year on 13 August 1311. Since Venice was not allowed to perform religious rites, he was buried in an unmarked grave on the island of Murano in Venice.
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    Italy, Venice
    Pietro Gradenigo, 49th Doge
    1289-1311 AD
    AR Grosso
    Obverse: PE GRADONICO/DVX/.S.M.VENETI, doge on left, St. Mark on right, banner between them
    Reverse: IC - XC Christ enthroned, holding book of Gospels



    Up next is...


    Francesco Dandolo (born unk - died 1339) was the 52nd Doge of Venice. He ruled from 1329 to 1339.
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    During Doge Dandolo's reign, Venice began extending its territory on the Italian mainland. Before becoming doge, Franceso was a Venetian ambassador to Popes Clement V and John XXII. He was known as "Cane" (dog) after a time where he presented himself to the pope wearing a chain around his neck in an effort to get the pope to revoke the excommunication of Venice, which was caused by Doge Pietro Gradenigo. Doge Dandolo died on All Saint's Day in 1339 and was buried in the Basilica di Santa Maria Gloriosa dei Frari, the largest church in the city.

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    Italy, Venice
    Francesco Dandolo, 52nd Doge
    1329-1339 AD
    AR Grosso
    Obverse: FRA DANDVLO D/V/X - S M VENETI, Staint Mark standing right holding book of gospels in left hand and banner in right, Doge standing left holding banner
    Reverse: IC-XC, Christ the redeemer enthroned holding book of gospels, annulet in folds left foot.


    Let's see your Venetian Doge coins! How many of the 120 can we get??
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I love Doge, Hence my avatar. :D:p

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    Andrea Dandolo (1342-1354 A.D.)
    AR Mezzanino Nuovo
    O: AN DADVL SM VENE DVX, Doge and St. Mark holding banner, P in ex.
    R: •XPS•RES-VRESIT•, Christ emerging from tomb, holding banner and cross.
    .77g
    15mm
    Biaggi 2822

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    Andrea Dandolo (1343 - 1354 A.D.)
    Italy, Venice
    AR Soldino di nuovo tipo
    O: +•ANDR•DAN-"DVLO•DVX•, Doge kneeling left, holding banner.
    R: +•S MARCVS VENETI•, nimbate rampant lion left, holding banner; S to left.
    Secondo Aventurado, mintmaster.Struck 1353-1354.
    15mm
    .58g
    Cf. CNI VII 23; Papadopoli 5 var. (obv. legend); cf. Paolucci 5.
     
  4. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

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    Giovanni Dandolo (r.1280-1289), 48th Doge

    The most notable event of Giovanni Dandolo's reign was the introduction of the Venetian gold ducat, or zecchino, which quickly became a major trade coinage and continued to be struck until 1797.
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Italy (Venice): silver grosso of Antonio Venier, ca. 1382-1400
    Antonio Venier was, of course, Doge of Venice during those years.

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  6. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    I've wanted a coin of Doge Dandolo for some time. Nice pics and cool coins, as always FF.
     
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  7. Hrefn

    Hrefn Well-Known Member

    The mint took great care with these early ducats.
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    Again, Pietro Gradenigo, of the unmarked grave.
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Ranieri Zeno, 1253-1268, 45th Doge
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Lovely. That strike... that cabinet toning...
     
  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Agreed. That is beautiful!
     
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  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    On another note, I counted 6 different doges so far. A paltry 5%. Let's go CT! :)
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1608943
    My Zeno made an appearance in a Pegasi sale with a ridiculous estimate. I bought it from the late Don Zauche still in its Pegasi flip but with their name cut off for well under what they list as the realization and no shipping or other fees. I doubt the coin ever sold for that $110 they claimed but I'm sure Don did not sell it to me for a loss. Don always had unsolds from auctions whose business model was to price them high and wholesale the failures. I miss Don.
    http://www.pegasionline.com/catalog.asp?cat=533&curPage=3 #814
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Confession: I had no idea there were so many, but in retrospect, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised by that. I was hoping there would be a numbered list on Wikipedia or somewhere, but didn't see one. (Didn't tarry long there, in any event.)
     
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  14. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Shoot, Somebody (maybe @FitzNigel?) started a thread where lots of these wound up, including all or most of mine. ...I've been away from the forum, mostly, for a week or more, and can't even remember the subject of the thread. @FitzNigel, or anyone else, could you help us out?
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doges_of_Venice
     
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  16. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Only like 1000 years of Doges...Couldn't be THAT many right? ;)
    @dougsmit got the list though :)
     
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  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Saw that, briefly, but it isn’t a numbered list.

    Yeah, over a millennium, I guess you could stack up a pretty good pile of doges. As should be relatively evident by now, I didn’t know their era lasted that long. What I know about Venetian history could fit into a thimble.

    Say, didn’t they invent some annoying window blinds that get all dusty and tangled up, and pull up all crooked-like when you tug on the string? ;)

    Oh yeah, and those funky stand-up, push-em-with-a-stick boats with the pointy prows.

    There you have it. Most of the sum total of the Lordmarcovan Venetian history knowledge. :rolleyes:
     
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  18. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    The 120th and last Doge Lodovico Manin, from March 9, 1789 until 1797, when he was forced to abdicate by Napoleon Bonaparte.
    The design of the Venetian gold ducat, or zecchino, remained unchanged for over 500 years, from its introduction in 1284 to the takeover of Venice by Napoleon in 1797. No other coin design has ever been produced over such a long historical period. It was called the zecchino, after the Zecca (mint) of Venice, since 1543 when Venice began minting a silver coin also called a ducat. The name of the mint ultimately derives from Arabic: سكّة‎ (sikka), meaning a coin mould or die.

    Zecchino, Venice, 1789 - 1797
    20 mm, 3.394 g
    Montenegro 3320; Friedberg 1445; KM 755;

    Ob.: Doge kneeling before standing figure of St. Mark. LVDOV•MANIN / S•M• VENET / DVX
    Rev.: Christ standing facing, raising hand in benediction and holding Gospels, surrounded by mandorla containing sixteen stars SIT•T•XPE•DAT•Q•TV / REGIS•ISTE•DVCA

    In some regions, in later centuries, this type of coins was stitched to women's clothing such as headdresses – this eventually led to the origin of the more modern word "sequins" to denote small shiny, circular decorations.

    This coin has been pierced, maybe used on a piece of clothing?

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  19. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I invested $100 in Dogecoin, sold for $1,000 at a whopping $900 profit. The day after the sell, it tanked and has yet to recover.

    I used that profit to blow my wad at my first Roma E-Sale. The funds lasted for three whole sales! Thanks, Doge!
     
  20. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I’ve done a couple threads on Venetian coins, but none where getting all of the Doge’s was attempted! Some of the earlier ones will likely be impossible, but I can add at least 2 new ones (fit whoever is keeping track), and I’ll submit my third Venetian just for fun:

    Med-12-IVen-1192-Enrico Dandolo-D-3625.jpg Italy - Venice
    Enrico Dandolo, r. 1192-1205
    AR Denaro, 13.66 mm x 0.4 grams
    Obv.: +S MARCVS around small cross
    Rev.: +ENRIC DVX around small cross
    Ref.: MEC 12-1004; De Wit 3625 (Biaggi 2762)

    Med-12-IVen-1205-Pietro Ziani-G-3626.jpg
    Italy - Venice
    Pietro Zani, r. 1205-1229
    AR Grosso, 19.79 mm, 1.9 grams
    Obv.: [·+·]P·ZIANI· ·S·M.VENETI outside (Z retrograde), D/U/X down banner held between doge and St. Mark facing
    Rev.: [I¯C] X¯C across field, Christ enthroned facing
    Ref.: MEC 12-1008; Similar to De Witt 3626

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    Italy - Venice
    Andrea Dandolo, r. 1343-1354 (1346-1353)
    AR Mezzanino Nuovo, 15.52 mm x 0.9 grams
    Obv.: ANDADVL ·SMVENE DVX. Saint Mark left receiving candle from Doge right. Or in field (unknown mintmaster)
    Rev.: ·XPS·RES VRESIT·. Christ emerging from sepulchre
    Ref.: MEC 12-1131; CNI VII, 30-3 (pg. 73); cf. De Wit 3640
     
  21. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    My two doges:

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    Italy, Republic of Venice, under Lorenzo Tiepolo (46th Doge), AR grosso, 1268–1275 AD. Obv: .LA.TEVPL’. DVX .S.M.VENETI.; Mark the Evangelist, standing facing to r. with book, passing banner-staff to doge standing facing to l. Rev: IC-XC; Christ enthroned facing; wedge in lower l. field (next to leg). 21.5mm, 2.09g. Ref: MEC 12, 1041–2.

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    Italy, Republic of Venice, under Giovanni Dolfin (57th Doge), AR soldino (slightly clipped), 1356-1361 AD. Obv: +IOh’S DELPhYNO DVx; kneeling doge holding banner l., . Rev: + S MARCVS VENETI; lion of St. Marc with banner l.; in field l., S. 14mm, 0.43g. Ref: MEC12, 1164–1165.
     
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