Gothic imitations of Roman gold coins

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  1. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Below is a "Gothic" imitation of an aureus of Probus. I bought the coin a couple of years ago. The exact same coin is in the O. Anokhin catalog (no. 249) as you can see in the second picture. Unfortunately, before the first registration of the coin by Anohkin and me buying the coin the loop has been removed and the dirt has been cleaned off.

    The coin was found in the Khmelnitzskaya oblast, Tchemerovetsky raion in western Ukraine.
    The Goths were particularly fond of military busts and many imitations are based on Probus' aurei. The piece below probably dates to around AD 300 (+-25 years).
    Weight: 5.8 gr (without loop)



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  3. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Are they the same coins?
     
  4. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Dirk, The engraving on both sides of this coin is impressive :happy:! What a shame some idiot removed the pendant mount :(. At least you've a photo of this important find before it was foolishly altered, & important info on the find site :D. It is amusing to see garbled inscriptions on a coin so finely engraved :p.
     
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  5. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Yea it’s the same one after and before the loop was removed
     
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  6. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    This is mine (Fourrée aureus) along with the issue its imitating.

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  7. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is the same coin. It is difficult to see from the picture. The coin studied by several Ukrainian and Polish numismatists and there was briefly confusion, whether it is the same coin or not, but there is no doubt.
     
  8. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    I also have a number of pieces with the loop still in place. For example,
    this is coin no. 142 from the Anokhin catalog, i.e. the exact same coin.

    It was found in Vinnitzkaya oblast, Tomashpolski raion

    Weight: 5.73 gr.

    Again, the model was an aureus of Probus.

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  9. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Typically, these coins don't have loops, but crude holes:

    Obv.: Helmeted bust with shield and spear

    Rev.: Horseman (Adventus)

    Found: Tsherkasskaya oblast, banks of the river Tyasmin, Tshigirinsky raion

    Weight: 4.65 g



    Oleg Anokhin catalog No. 216 (this coin)

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  10. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Here is another coin from my collection.

    Imitation of Probus aureus

    Obv.: Bust with helmet, spear and shield left

    Rev.: Quadriga

    Found: Near Lublin, Poland


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    The coin below is from the Anokhin catalog. It was almost certainly struck from the same dies as my coin. However, while my coin was struck in gold, the Anokhin coin is a gilded bronze coin.

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  11. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    That's neat. Even the hole is in the exact same place!
     
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  12. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Does anybody know what the model for the coin below was?
    The obverse legend is readible

    Obv.: IMP M ANTONIN
    Rev.: NICIA II.. CTORI

    It is die-identical to Anokhin no. 101. Note the holes are placed almost identically.

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  13. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    True, I just noted this for the coin 101, which I just posted.
    I guess the same man holed the coins, perhaps even on the same occasion.
     
  14. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Below is one of my favorite Gothic imitations. I think the coin was copied after a Probus or Diocletian aureus

    Obv.: Laureate bust right
    Rev: Jupiter standing

    Found: Rovenskaya oblast, Ukraine
    Weight: 4.15 gr.
    Hole at 12 - 1 o'clock

    Oleg Anokhin catalog No. 167 (this coin)


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  15. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    This is perhaps the historically most interesting example.

    The coin was found in Vinnitskaya oblast, Pogrebishe

    This coin is not an imitation, but was struck from official dies, which the Goths obtained as plunder during the sack of Alexander Troas in AD 262. The dies were overused and later partially recut. The dies were originally used for the minting of provincial bronze coins.

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  16. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Great Gothic beauties. I’m envious.
     
  17. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Here's a Gothic imitation Fourree Aureus of Probus(?) on eBay for $150. Is that a reasonable price for something like this? Asking for a friend...

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  18. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    I cannot really answer the question if that is a reasonable price. Personally, I don't find that coin attractive, but preferences vary widely.
     
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