Yet another reason to invest in print references

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  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    In this case, the seller got the attribution right. However, also in this case, it was important to double-check the reference.

    This is my first Flavian coin with this Eagle on altar reverse type. A couple of these are very common and show up in many auctions from week to week. However, there are some rarities sprinkled in amongst the more common types, and my coin is one of the rarest types with this reverse. In fact, RIC calls this coin R3 (only one example known at the time of publication). I know of 3 others. There are 2 on acsearch and the RIC reference coin (there is no plate for this coin). If you know of others please post them to this thread.

    Although the coin is quite worn, sometimes it is a matter of having a rough example or no example at all. You can see the choice I made below. Having said that, I actually like the portrait of Titus very much.

    Please post your examples of obscure rarities you were able to add to your collection.





    Titus as Caesar AR Denarius 76 CE
    (18mm 2.8g)
    Obv: Head laureate left; T CAESAR IMP VESPASIANVS
    Rev: Eagle standing front on garlanded altar, wings open, head right; COS V across field.
    RIC 871 (R2)
    Purchased from Ebay September 9 2021
    Titus ric 871 (vesp).jpg
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2021
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  3. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Congrats with that rare Titus / Eagle Orfew

    Not obscure or rare, but I think it fits this thread:

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  4. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Thanks for posting this. I really like this type because of how the eagle is rendered
     
  5. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Nice one, @Orfew

    Here is one of the common Flavian eagles:
    Vespasian - Den. Eagle Nov 2014 (0).jpg
    Vespasian Denarius
    (76 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    IMP [CAESAR V]ESPASIANVS AVG, laureate head right / COS V[II], eagle standing front on altar, head left.
    RIC 847; RSC 121; BMC 180.
    (3.22 grams / 17 mm)
    eBay Nov. 2014
     
  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Thanks for the kind words. Yours is a type I have yet to add. I like it very much
     
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  7. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Well, your post has put Flavian eagles in my head! :woot:

    This has the portrait left, like the OP. It appears to be rare, but too bad it is in such wretched condition:
    Vespasian - As eagle Nov 2017 (0).jpg
    Vespasian Æ As
    (77-78 A.D.)
    Lugdunum Mint

    [IMP C]AES VESPASIAN AVG COS VII[I P P], laureate head left, globe at point of neck / S-C, eagle standing on globe, head turned left.
    RIC 1238 (head left rare)
    (8.07 grams / 26 mm)
    eBay Nov. 2017

    I had a lot of CT help attributing this one a few years back (thanks again, folks):

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/vespasian-as-bust-left-eagle-on-globe.306819/
     
  8. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Just reread your original opening post-very interesting
     
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  10. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    A super rarity indeed Andrew! A lengthy discussion about the reverse type (with or without thunderbolts) between Ted Buttrey and myself several years ago prompted him to change the reverse description and add a footnote for the type in the Addenda. Hopefully to be added to any future editions.

    NB: The subtitle to this thread should be 'and only cite references you own!'.
     
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  11. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Thanks David. I was not sure about the thunderbolt so I used RICs description. I did not see one and wondered if it had one at all. I will change the description in my database and will edit the attribution posted above.

    Oh yes, I have learned the wisdom of this particular piece of advice.
     
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