Not happy with the quality of the grading of foriegn coins

As much as one can complain about the grading for US coins, the world coins are seeminly worst

Look at this one on NCG

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353602040743?hash=item525452f3a7:g:QwwAAOSw0Q1hBz0E

I am casually looking at this and is whizzed on the obverse


and it was graded with a straight MS65

 

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I have no idea how they missed that . It's plain as day .

 

They are die polishing lines IMO, they do not extend over the devices

 

Those are die cleaning lines. Die polishing removes lines on the die , die cleaning incurs them.
I don't think three different grader would have let it grade if it was whizzed. Having a good understanding of coin manufacturing and grading is helpful. I think it is near impossible to grade a coin from a photo.

 

Looks like die polishing lines to me.

 

Ditto

 

No way. Those lines go right through the devices. Whizzed is a wrong discription but this coin was cleaned roughly. Look at the shoulder and the neck. In the hair and a cross the face.

 

12 o clock rim damage on the observe. Look at the bird on the back..

 

I don't see what you are refering to.

 

In today's world the coin is a 65.

 

My fundamental issue with grading world coinage is the lack of established grading standards that distinguish between grades. Years ago, when I was first learning to grade, I remember reading Photograde and learning details like "three letters of Liberty must be visible in order to qualify as VG" for series like Barber quarters/halves. Without something similar for world coin series, I feel like the grading services are just going with their gut.

 

One of things you learn from experience about the grading of modern coins is that coins graded MS-65 are not that great. You really have buy something graded higher than that to get a coin that is special.

 

Unfortunately, there are no longer fixed grading standards for American coins either, rather flexible "market grading". 15 years ago, the Official ANA Grading Standards noted in a section titled '21st Century Reality Check':

"Now, in the present 6th edition of this book (2006), certain coins that might have been graded as VG-8, such as an Indian Head cent with not all of the letters visible in the word LIBERTY, can be graded Fine-12. Lest a reader get the wrong idea, this book reports the grading being used in the marketplace. It does not create it... The grades of coins are not God-given, nor are they scientific, nor are they immutable. Perhaps like the English language, coin grades change based upon their use. Today we have to consider what the leading grading services such as ANACS, ICG, NGC and PCGS do, as well as what can be observed in offerings in auction sales, dealers' stocks, and coin shows."

About this same time, we all learned a new term: 'gradeflation'.

 

Usually grading involved some knowledge about the design and the patterns of wear etc. I found that some of my modern coins I sent for grading have a population of 1 or 2 - That doesn't make it easy. But in this case, you can see the lines through the coin that follow through and over the devices. That is a fairly universal indication of harsh cleaning.

 

Take a longer look. The lines in the fields don't go over the devices, they stop at them. What you are seeing on the devices are tiny hairlines from something else and not enough to keep the coin from a straight grade. They probably did keep the coin from a higher grade. NGC got it right. The coin was not harshly cleaned based on those images.
Take the time to study what die polish lines are. It's important to understand what they look like and the mint process that causes them.

 

To me it's clearly die polish, especially when I can find readily another one.
NGC MS67

Proof sets of these on Heritage archives - same thing.

 

those are different polished lines

Actually, you see the bird side, that is die polish. No doubt and the bird breaks to polish lines. Needless to say, the Monach profile is not like that.

 

^^^This^^^ as has been said repeatedly above

It is exactly like that. The die polish lines do not overlap the devices anywhere on that obverse. Not the bust of QEII or any of the peripheral lettering.

 

It's a waste of time to type out a reply to someone that won't even try to learn. My future reply's will be very short. Something like "WRONG"