Flying Eagle Cents - Post them if you got them please

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  1. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I never thought I would see a 1856 Flying Eagle. Even though its just a picture, I really appreciate you sharing. I think there was only about 6,000 minted.
    Thanks for sharing it. The other cent that I drool over is the 1877 IHC. Both are out of my range.
     
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  3. Hoky77

    Hoky77 Well-Known Member

    1858SLT3_variety003_obv.jpg 1858SLT3_variety003_rev.jpg

    The pictures are the photography of Mr. David Poliquin.

    For obvious reasons to be disclosed, this 1858 Small Letter is my favorite. I acquired this 1858 Small Letter on eBay as, in my opinion, a higher grade coin based on my willingness to to buy a coin that was represented by very poor photos but through the fuzziness showed some traits of a better grade. When I received the coin
    I was rewarded for taking the chance. As a variety enthusiast I examined the coin closely and found it resembled a Snow 10 with some differences that I thought could be attributed to a later die state. It is at this point I want to acknowledge the knowledge and help of Mr. David Poliquin. It is easiest now to post my email conversation with Mr. Poliquin:

    Me to David:

    First a question about the doubling of the date on this coin. Rick Snow attributes the variety as a DDO for the S's in STATES with no mention of doubling of the date. It seems to be excessive to be a RPD so I am assuming it is machine doubling which is something I don't recall seeing in a Indian Cent date. I also admit to struggling with differentiating between double die errors and machine doubling. Also, I am curious to know when the repunching of a date occurs. I assume it could be on both a new die or one that is being refurbished.

    I believe this is a Snow-10 at a later die state than what is in Rick's Guide. It has developed a die crack from the rim, through OF into the wing tip and the doubling at the date.

    Mr. Poliquins answer:

    Hello Paul,

    This example is not from the Snow 10 Die Pairing, based on the date position. The (S)TATE(S) are not the result of hub doubling, but rather the product of reworking of the working dies. These letters break on the working hub and reworked on the working dies. The Snow 10 Die Pairing only exhibits hub doubling on the reverse.

    In regard to the date anomalies, I would concur with you that the doubling is a result of machine induced doubling rather than genuine repunching.

    Date repunching occurs when the date is impressed into a finished working die and an unfavorable date position is initially achieved. The date position is then corrected (which is correctly referred to as date repunching) and impressed more heavily than the initial date impression(s).

    Your example does not exhibit a die crack from 'OF'. This is just a scratch.

    I do suspect that the reverse of your coin exhibits hub doubling, so you are more than welcome to submit it for me examine more closely.

    This correspondence and submission was early in my interest of die varieties and was instrumental in my becoming a avid enthusiast. As a older IHC collector who has completed his set this gave me a needed new direction in the hobby. Although I did notice the discrepancy's in the attribution of the Snow-10 pertaining to this coin and I am thankful for Mr. Poliquins credit to me for the discovery , I want to credit Mr. Poliquin with the discovery in that he attributed the nuances I missed that make this coin the 1858-SL, Poliquin-3.

    Link To:​

    1858 Small Letters Type III Reverse Variety 3
     
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  4. Hoky77

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  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The Red Book has said the mintage for the 1856 Flying Eagle was 1,000. Some say it’s more like 2,000. Whatever it is, the coin is popular and expensive. It’s not rare. Many coins have survival rates that are much lower and ever lower mintages.
     
  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It came to me before anyone knew what they were. I knew it was a clash but did not understand it. The dealer just thought it was a damaged coin. Back in those days I just had to have anything classic with clash marks.
     
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  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    This is clashed with the half dollar.
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  8. frech001

    frech001 New but Old

    In addition to the 1856, there are actually 8 different intentional mint die types of 1857 & 1858: 1857 Obverse of 1856, 1857 Obverse of 1857, 1858 Small Letters High Leaves Close E, 1858 SL Low Leaves Close E, 1858 SL LL Open E, 1858 LL HL Close E, 1858 LL LL Open E, & 1858 LL LL Close E. None of the coin album makers include all of them unfortunately. See page 20 of this Longacre's Ledger https://ia800809.us.archive.org/10/items/LLVol22No03Whole86Dec2012/LLVol22No03Whole86Dec2012.pdf
     
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  9. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    @Chris Winkler
    He over strikes them on original cull FE cents.
     
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  11. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    JUST PURCHASED, WAITING TO GET IT

    Mint Error 1857 1C Struck on Defective Blank Lett Style of 1856 ANACS AU53 FS-401B.
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  12. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    her is one i recently purchased from northeast numismatics: i own 4 now
    Mint Error 1857 1C Struck on Defective Blank Lett Style of 1856 ANACS AU53 FS-401B.
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  13. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Here is my 1857, an AU58:
    flying eagle cent 1857 obv.jpg flying eagle cent 1857 rev.jpg
     
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  17. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    Yep....Judd 206. PF64CAM NGC.

    Part of the 12 piece small cent pattern collection of 1858. Would love to be able to put a set together. I have 3 of the 12.
     
  18. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    wow, that is so cool, the closest i came was for a silver proof cent, i think, i went as high as 800.00 for it, it capped off at 3200, lol great collections auction page
     
  19. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    JUST CAME IN FROM NORTHEAST NUMISMATICS....1857 LETTERS OF 56 LAMINATION 241415149_164319499141905_2948862128179343205_n.jpg 241643810_1932825786892679_6810960385755868843_n.jpg 241692377_368909624907247_4739281066137561462_n.jpg
     
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