1942-P DDO

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by rmpsrpms, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Well, they are not die chips, so he'd be wrong.

    It's the second most dramatic DDO of this type in the Lincoln series. Until today I did not have an avatar, but with the controversy I thought it would be appropriate to use this one.

    I'm curious now about the distinction between the doubling showing in the "tails" of the T and Y versus to the left of the Y. What is your thought process here?
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2019
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  3. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    A couple things come to mind here for me. First, there are occasions where the experts (the folks who established the sites for DD attribution) have attributed a coin as a DDO/DDR only to change it later when new information becomes available. For example, wavy steps were considered a DDR on Lincoln cents for a bit before being backed out. The pictures of the attributed DDOs appear similar to your coin, and while they do look like chips that may be glorified, until the masters back off that point I'm inclined to agree with them. Admittedly though, I have hesitation on that point as do the others here. The more significant identifier for me is the appearance of a mark that looks like doubling west of the V of the Y. This type of doubling can be found on other cents of different years. So it's a combination of things. The bottoms of the T and Y, the mark to the west of the V of the Y, and similar attributions.
     
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  4. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I did not give an opinion on this coin and now I won't. You would have liked what I had to say but I won't be a part of you attacking this forum or it's members that voice opinions.
     
  5. Mike185

    Mike185 Well-Known Member

    I agree!! Die chip..
     
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  6. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow thinks it is a Doubled Die. But is it really a career maker? Still a neat find.
     
  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member



    Ed Woods wrong:wideyed:! Surely you jest? :jawdrop:
     
  8. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Thanks for that explanation.

    Thanks for the support. I really just dropped in to offer an obvious DDO before I send it in for attribution along with a couple other new discoveries. Career maker? Not sure what that means, as this is the 30th year in my career as a die variety specialist.

    There is a big difference between an opinion and a proclamation. I value opinions, especially when they are supported by reasoning and evidence. I can even be convinced by a good argument. What you failed to include in your response was the post that triggered the post you quoted. Michael K said "It's nothing. There's no doubling. Good luck with your quest." That response, along with Paddy54's earlier one "Your specimen is not a ddo. What your seeing they are die chips." , created a negative and discouraging atmosphere which is typical of many threads I've read on this forum. If I were a newbie I might actually believe such inputs and give up. Is that what the posters were trying for?
     
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  9. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Hey at least the cat likes you! So you got that much going for you! :cigar:
     
  10. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    True! I think this is the first thread I've been in with her. Good start.
     
  11. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow is a Tom!
     
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  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Wait now your a Turkey? Not a good month for turkeys.
     
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  13. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

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  14. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow every so often will find an unattributed or attributed doubled die, and gets shot down a lot with NO's. But curiously when Meow provides proof that such attributed ones exist a lot like them, Meow gets silence. No "Wow Meow you where right about that one after all" or "Sorry about denying your find, guess you where right" talk. And most recently Meow found a North Carolina State quarter DDO, and it got shot down. But Meow showed all it was attributed, and Meow's find is just like it. Silence...…………….Would say crickets, but Meow ate it.
     
  15. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Yes, lots of folks willing to shoot you down, even one whose handle is "Let me burst your bubble". Very nice indeed, he must be proud of that. Looking through the various threads, I can understand some of the negativity, but it seems that an actual culture of negativity exists here. Fortunately I have enough knowledge about die varieties and the minting process (likely much more than many of the folks responding, though some seem well-versed), and I know what I am looking at, so that I am not dissuaded by the responses.

    In the end, I would say not to expect apologies.
     
  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Hang out here more often and help with the new folks that are needing help. I know you used to be here all the time. Most of the members are not negative.
     
  17. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Indeed that might be good to do. Maybe I can try to rebalance things a bit. I changed my mood to reflect this hopeful message.
     
  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I must have missed that one, do you have a link?
     
  19. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

  20. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Well, it took a while since CONECA went through a major change in its attribution process and personnel, but I finally was able to send this one in and get it attributed. They considered it significant enough to include it in the first few varieties added using the new process. It has been listed as:

    1942 DDO-011 (11-O-I-CW)

    If you're a CONECA member you can see it in the latest ERRORSCOPE. If not, then just follow the link below as it is shown in the July/August Table of Contents page here:

    https://conecaonline.org/errorscope-2021-table-of-contents/

    In addition to the 1942D DDO-011, I also received new listings for two other LWC Double Dies:

    1944S DDO-012 (12-O-II-C + VI) stage E LMDS
    see it here: https://easyzoom.com/image/243152/album/0/4?mode=manage

    1943D DDO-015 (15-O-II-C + V-CW)
    see it here: https://easyzoom.com/image/125250/album/0/4?mode=manage

    As well as a new "Dual Variety" Double Die + RPM:

    1946D DDO-010 (10-O-II-C) stage D MDS and 1946D RPM-021
    see it here: https://easyzoom.com/image/125251/album/0/4?mode=manage

    And in the same submission I'm credited with discovering a new VLDS stage of 1954-S RPM#6, with a new Reverse Die Pairing.

    At some point they will complete the new listing site and all the recent discoveries will be shown.

    Thanks for those who were supportive (@MeowtheKitty, @ldhair, @Kevin Mader), and also to those who were neutral (@thomas mozzillo, @Kentucky), but a big raspberry to those who were utterly, stupidly wrong (@paddyman98, @Paddy54, @Michael K, @desertgem, @Mike185).
     
  21. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You poor thing, you have my heartfelt condolences.
     
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