Bowtie Clip Blank Mint Error

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  1. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    From a Jefferson Nickel Sheet. I always wanted one and this was very reasonable in price. The reverse looks the same as the obverse. LOL
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    This is the reverse, at least according to the slab from NGC it is. LOL
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Cool. That's a first for me ! Thanks for sharing .
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  4. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Its really just a piece of coin webbing. If it was a blank it would be convex at the top and bottom, instead of being concaved. I do not understand why a TPG would use the term "clip" when the correct term is Incomplete Blank . I have my suspicions that the person who submitted it paid to have it labeled as such.
     
  5. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I wish I had them to show but I got rid of 100 quarter pieces like this I purchased on EBAY for $30.00. Dumped them over on Listia.
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    This is not the first one I’ve seen labeled this way but this one was affordable.
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not to sure about quarters but that’s about the price for a single piece today.
     
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  8. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Nice, but not sure I'd consider it a "Mint error." Without a date, and a third party punching the blanks now, I would just call in coin webbing. Maybe it's just me.
     
  9. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    I don't understand how it's an error at all. That piece is totally part of the proper minting process. It's the webbing between the blanks. It's supposed to be like that. Not an error in the slightest sense of the word.
     
  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Bowtie Clips
    Part V: Planchet Errors:
    Blanking and Cutting Errors:
    Bowtie clips:




    A bowtie clip consists of two very large curved clips at opposite poles. It produces a coin with expanded ends and a narrow waist.

    There are three types of bowties — chopped webbing, re-punched normal strip and opposing curved clips.

    Chopped webbing refers to the wastage from the blanking process. A coin metal strip that has passed through the blanking press is full of tightly-packed, regularly-spaced holes. The strip is chopped up before the pieces are sent to a furnace to be melted down and recycled. Occasionally, a piece will remain behind in a tote bin or conveyor and can subsequently get mixed in with a batch of planchets.

    A struck piece of chopped webbing can be triangular or bowtie-shaped. Only the latter shape earns the moniker “bowtie clip”. The two curved clips can be roughly equal in size or very unequal in size. It all depends on the size of the piece and the location of the chopped ends. In addition to the two large clips, a bowtie clip of this type may have a small curved clip at one or both ends.

    A bowtie clip derived from normally-punched strip that has been repunched will show a very narrow waist. One or both ends of the bowtie will show a small curved clip that is often converted into a straight-looking edge by the expansion of the coin. Shown here is an undated nickel that would fall into this category of bowtie. The larger end shows the small clip.
     
  11. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    It really is a sad state of affairs when these things are called by names of what they look like. Slang names. Not by what they truly are. It is way to prevalent in the numismatic community. It confuses the Newbs and the Learned alike.
    How in good faith can every piece of webbing that comes off the end of the blanking press be considered a "bowtie clip blank"? When in all reality a bowtie clip coin is just a piece of wastage webbing that went through a coin press and was struck by dies. How can a piece of wastage be considered a "blank"?
    A "Bowtie Clip" coin should be labeled just plain "Struck on Webbing". It is direct and understandable even for a Newb. There is no "BLANK" for a bowtie clip.
    There is no "CLIPPED" blank....
     
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  12. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    :happy:. Looks like we have a debate here . I don't like it called an Error also. It's supposed look like this :
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  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Here are 2 examples from my collection
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    @Collecting Nut I have #290 in that series ;)
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    And some of my loose pieces
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  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Here is an interesting example I saw on the web. With modified insert.
    (Not my coin)
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  15. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    So Eddie, in all seriousness and objectively speaking, someone as knowledgeable in error coins as you are, do you believe the bowtie designation is truly a minting error? Or is it a byproduct of the minting process? Seems that every single coin has waste produced from the planchet being stamped.

    Thoughts?
     
  16. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I think the proof is in the postings.
    If a piece of webbing makes it all the way to the coining chamber, is struck by coin dies an leaves an imprint, then you got an error. Because such a thing is not supposed to happen. There are safeguards in place to prevent such a thing from happening. Really makes me wonder how these pieces get through them and into the press all on there own. Just the laws of probability will let it happen.
    To take a piece of wastage webbing that is part of the minting process, pay to put it in a plastic case with a error label is just the dubious side of coin collecting. It is either done due lack of understanding or to fool others with a lack of understanding.
    It is interesting to note that error coins are not valued due to there scarcity or how rare they are, They are valued by how easy it is to see the error with the naked eye.
     
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

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  18. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Instead of calling them "bow ties" let's call them dog bone treats. Makes them cute and more desirable. LOL
     
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  19. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    The seller came and went very quickly. He also had dime and nickel types but when I ordered I wanted to make sure I actually got them. By the time I did he was gone. I think there was something hokey really. Maybe he had been a part of the company that destroys coin webbing and got ahold of them the wrong way. Maybe also he got reported because these are not supposed to make it to the public. I wished afterwards I had gone all in on all he had.
     
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  20. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Don't have one, don't need one, don't want one. That's all folks
     
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