1955 Double Mint Set - Real or Fake

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  1. waterfallice

    waterfallice Member

    This simply looks to pristine to be true. The white spots on a few coins raises some questions as well. Curious what others with more experience with these mint sets think of this one. Thanks in advance! I can provide more photos if it helps. Onward, Joe
     

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  3. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    Fake Mint Set - IMO, but, wait for some other input.
     
  4. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    It appears to be made up.
     
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I have seen those holders before, but it was many years ago, and I forget where.

    [at least 30+ years ago.]
     
  6. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Looks like a legit set to me.
    I had some sets like that way back when.
    Two coins of each face/mm.
    Generally they were later separated from the cardboard holder by collectors and ended up in Capital holders as single sets.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I collected original Mint and Proof sets for 40 years and I don't see anything to make me think it's a made up set. It's always possible of course for an especially nice coin to be pulled out and replaced with one of lesser quality and that is almost impossible to detect. But I really don't see anything in these pics that would make me suspicious.
     
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  8. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    I've seen those before also. Never really care for the way they were mounted the coins tended to fall out.
     
  9. waterfallice

    waterfallice Member

    In your 40 years did you encounter boards and paper that look like they just came from the craft store and coins with zero toning? Only one penny has a small carbon spot. And every coin perfectly aligned. Just all seems so improbable that they weren't dipped or whizzed.
     
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  10. steve westermeier

    steve westermeier Cancer sucks!

    My thoughts as well.
     
  11. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I'm a bit suspicious of the old green paper but the coins look good, in my opinion.
     
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  12. capthank

    capthank Well-Known Member

    Have never seen that type set before but coins look genuine.
     
  13. Skyman

    Skyman Well-Known Member

    Looks off to me.
     
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  14. Here is a pic of my 1955 double mint set for comparison

    edited - what you actually posted were 2 text files that had to be downloaded, so I removed them
     
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  15. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Not clear to me of the question or the answers. Is the question about officially issued coin sets from the mint in those holders...? Is there any mint/gov't ID on the holders (don't see any/doesn't show)...? Coins are genuine...hard to know from photos if tinkered with for appearance. No matter, really...nothing wrong with putting together some decent-looking coins from somewhere along the way and calling it a mint set...! I've assembled...individually pieced together...about a half-dozen nice "mint sets" of coins from the same year(s)...from Walkers to pennies of the 30s and 40s...MS full red cents and lustrous silver and nickel...into some Capital and similar holders. I don't try, nor is it my intention, to ever deceive anyone, but hey...the coins are from their various/individual years of mintage at the same mint, assembled together in a mint set.:happy:
     
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  16. LRC-Tom

    LRC-Tom Been around the block...

    The holder looks legitimate, but the lack of toning on the coins makes me suspicious that the original coins have been pulled out and regular roll-quality coins have been substituted. Coins with original mint-set toning can bring big bucks if the toning is attractive. Hence the motivation to substitute.
     
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  17. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Back in the mid 90’s, I bought a set of five 1954 Mint Sets from a well-known dealer in a dealer to dealer transaction. A couple of the envelopes had not even been opened. When opened them, the coins were really nice and we’re not toned the way people believe mint set coins from this era.

    I don’t see anything wrong with the OP set.
     
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  18. waterfallice

    waterfallice Member

    Well John, I definitely value your opinion and experience. I just couldn't shake my uncertain feelings about it so I was able to return them earlier today. Might be a mistake. The outer envelope on this was pretty beat up in more of the usual condition. Something just didn't jive for me. In the end I guess that is all that matters. Nothing bugs me more than those coins in my collection I have misgivings about - and I have plenty of those already ;-)
     
  19. waterfallice

    waterfallice Member

    Sorry if my post wasn't very clear. The early US Mint Sets from 1947-1958 were known as "Double Mint Sets" as they came with two coins each from each mint. They were in these boards with paper covering - one for each mint. The coins would often fall out and not always be placed properly but its usually obvious if they are the original. The original paper is plain with no official markings and usually green but I've seen pink as well. There may have been other colors too. These boards (2 or 3 depending on the year) would then go into another classic mint manila envelope with the mint address. This would then all go into a registered mailing envelope. Sets with all the OP can bring a premium. For example the 1947 version had only 5,000 sets assembled and the 47, 48 & 49 generally run $1,000 or more retail/auction. I agree anyone can put together any variety of their own mint and year sets but to promote one as pristine and original from the mint but it is not would be a form of counterfeiting. The challenge is these sets have fewer places for indicators than something like a fake PCGS slab. It's a really fun and tough set to hunt and collect. I only need the 55 and 56 versions.
     
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah, if I got lucky, but I rarely did. And all of the coins in the set you posted are toned, just to varying degrees. And that is absolutely normal.

    You have to realize that the coins pop in and out of those cardboard holders with ease and any owner can easily be removed and aligned just so - at whim. And yeah, many collectors of them did just that.

    Over all the years that I collected original Mint and Proof sets, and I had them all except for the '36 to '42 Proof sets, and the '47 and '48 Mint sets, I must have looked at easily tens of thousand different sets. I could sometimes look at a thousand different sets at a single big show. And I looked at that many more online, always looking for a nicer example than the set I had.

    These sets can and are found in so many different conditions that it boggles the mind. From so called blast white to gorgeous toning to the ugliest toning you've ever seen. And sometimes you can see all three of those things in a single set. And the mailing envelopes, outer envelopes, and cardboard folders can be found in any state of condition you can imagine from pristine to ragged and falling apart.

    All of that said, all of these sets can be and have been counterfeited, much more so in the last 2 decades. But as with anything else, familiarity and knowledge of these sets allows those who have that knowledge to identify them in most cases - just like you can do with coins. And there are several books that have been published specifically on these sets. And over the years I've posted what seems like a mountain of information about them on this forum, and other forums as well. Way too much to ever be posted in a single post, it would literally require another book.

    Bottom line all I can do is offer my opinion based on the pics provided, and I have done that.
     
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  21. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    maybe it's just the lighting, but one of the quarters looks like it has high point rub to me.
     
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