Captured: Henry VIII

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  1. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    Because there’s not much else to do in lockdown (that’s right - we’re in Lockdown 6.0 now in Melbourne) I’ve had time to devote to my hobby: capturing British and Roman rulers. My latest addition is Henry VIII. I didn’t want one of those beardless profile portraits (which were very similar to his father’s). I wanted something recognisably Henry VIII - big angry man with a beard:
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    I believe attribution is:

    Denomination: AR Groat
    Mint: London Tower
    Obverse: Crowned bust 5 facing slightly right
    Reverse: Coat-of-arms over long cross fleurée
    Reference: Spink 2403

    I’m not really that fussed about mints and bust types. I’m more a lover of history and my eye likes what it likes.

    Next on my capture list: Bloody Mary and Oliver Cromwell!
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great Groat, Greg! Very nice capture!

    Henry VIII Ireland

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    IRELAND
    Henry VIII 1509-1547
    AR Groat
    25mm 2.5g
    hЄnRIC VIII DI GR RЄX - RΛnCIЄ ЄT hIBЄRnIЄ harp
    H & K London
    SCBI 22 Copenhagen
     
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  4. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Cool portrait on your coin. I just read an interesting article about "Bloody Mary"'s coinage. If you'd like to have it, I can send you a scan of the 5-6 pages. Just PM me.

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  5. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    Please do! :D
     
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  6. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    Awesome! I’m gonna want an Irish groat of his at some point. Once I’ve captured all the Tudors!
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you.
    It is ex: @Mat ... I just thought it was a very cool coin, different.
     
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  8. Terrifrompa

    Terrifrompa Member

    very nice. looking forward to Mary Tudor
     
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  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Yours looks to be the posthumous type, made after he passed. They're much more common.

    I expected mine to be the same till 2 different posters on the PCGS boards confirmed its lifetime and near his end.

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    Henry VIII (1509-1547 A.D.)
    AR Groat
    Third Coinage
    O: D. G. AnG. FRA. Z hIB. RЄX, , crowned bearded bust half right, rose after rex. , Laker bust A.
    R: C[IVI] TAS BRIS TOLIЄ, royal coat-of-arms over long cross fourchée; lis in forks; pellet below third quarter of shield; rose after TAS, lis before BRIS; pellet on inner border.
    Bristol mint; im: -/WS “monogram of William Sharrington” Struck circa 1546-1547.
    2.45g
    26mm
    North 1846; SCBC 2372
     
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  10. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    Awesome one!
     
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  11. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    "I'm Henery the 8th, I am...Henery the 8th I am, I am..." Can't recall the king, coin, etc. without remembering the hit song from the 60s by Herman's Hermits...!
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Nice. I always wanted one with the old, fat, scowly Henry on it. The only portrait coin of his I've had was a halfgroat with a younger face. I've also had an Irish harp groat like @Alegandron posted, which I picked up on the cheap. I think @Mat has that one now.

    Edit- no, wait- it seems the @Mat and @Alegandron harp groats are one and the same!

    So it appears that coin has been through the hands of at least four CT members now:

    @Aethelred > @lordmarcovan > @Mat > @Alegandron.

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    Cool!

    As @Aethelred is now a brick-and-mortar coin dealer with his own shop in Western North Carolina, I would speculate that that harp groat came from an old NC collection before he had it. Perhaps he can shed further light on its earlier pedigree, though he has little time to post on the forums these days, alas.
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    @GregH- you were right to want the older portrait, I think. We all know that face from the Holbein painting.

    (Interesting- until I read that Wikipedia article, I did not know the original is a lost work, and that there were so many different versions.)

    Source: Wikimedia Commons
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Sorry, but that BUCK STOPS HERE.
    I have not traded nor sold my coins. :)
    I plan to keep the Groat.
     
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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Hey, that's great. I was referring to its past provenance, not future. ;)
     
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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, I know. So far, my collection has been a Black Hole... I capture coins, but they never leave my clutches. :D

    I really enjoy the Groat... Thanks for being a purveyor!

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  17. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    ...and, he looks like we think he should look...dead or alive! :D:jawdrop:
     
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  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    What is the R?
     
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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    A "K", I believe? Catherine (Katherine) of Aragon, the first wife?

    Edit- yep. Ooh, lookie here! Wow.

    Edit 2- oops, maybe not.
     
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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    No clue. Attribute was given, and I do not collect this area.
     
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  21. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    The attribution was given to me years ago from a specialist on the PCGS Boards, same person who attributed my portrait one in this thread.

    Here is an "R"..

    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4754268

    Plenty more, fairly common.

    Probably issued in-between chopping some lady's heads.
     
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