Brazil 1832 R 80 Réis with and without 40 counterstamp

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by The Eidolon, Aug 16, 2021.

  1. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    I thought these two made a nice contrast. Most of the Brazil coppers I see from this era come counterstamped from the 2:1 devaluation.
    Please post any early Brazil coppers if you like.
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I saw some of these the other day and considered buying one. I wasn't sure how big they are compared to other coins.
     
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  4. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    They are pretty big. A 40 and 80 Réis are about the same size, but the 80 is thicker.
    40 and 80.jpg
     
  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I think you sold me!
    I love big bronzes!
     
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  6. alurid

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  7. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    Early Brazilian coppers, some countermarked, some not:

    Brazil 10 reis 1819R (2a).jpg Brazil 10 reis 1835 CM (3).jpg Brazil 20 reis 1822R (3).jpg Brazil 20 reis 1829R (3).jpg Brazil 20 reis 1835 CM (2a).jpg Brazil 20 reis 1835 CM (5).jpg Brazil 40 reis 1809 CM (2a).jpg Brazil 40 reis 1809 CM (5).jpg Brazil 40 reis 1812R (3).jpg Brazil 40 reis 1818R (3).jpg
     
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    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

  9. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    This is fascinating! Thanks for sharing

    I was reading a thread somewhere that silver overstruck coins are common back then but overstruck copper coins are somewhat uncommon.

    Cam anyone share any story on it? I collect overstrikes and Brazil is on the list too.
     
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  10. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    I think there were some threads on this topic a long time ago, before I joined.
    This one looks promising. My vague recollection was that copper coins were overproduced, especially during the chaos of the Napoleonic Wars, so that the copper coinage was not worth its face value in silver any more. So the stamp would make copper valid coinage again, but at a reduced value.
     
  11. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    I see an awful lot of counterstamped large coppers. I think that inflation ran rampant back then. I find many more counterstamped than normal ones.
     
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  12. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    At the risk of looking like a coin hoarder, or as if I were trying to corner the market in these:

    CM - Brazil 40 & 20 reis Aug 2021 (1).JPG CM - Brazil 40 & 20 reis Aug 2021 (2).JPG CM - Brazil 40 & 20 reis Aug 2021 (3).JPG
    I was very enthusiastic about world countermarks for many years, and these just keep coming up for astonishingly cheap prices. Of some interest are the counterfeits - both the host coins (light weight) and the countermarks can be found as contemporary fakes. They are usually very crude compared to the official issues.

    The 20 reis countermark seems a bit scarcer than the 40 reis. Both of them are available by the ton!
     
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  13. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I'm not jealous...I swear...
     
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