Is this a counterfeit pcgs holder

Comes up as the correct coin but I the pcgs has no photos. I sent pcgs a email with a photo and they were very quick to response by saying both the coin and the holder look suspect and they advised not to purchase. But it shows that slabbed coins are no longer a guarantee of being the real thing.

 

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Excellent. I did likewise with another grader and their number had been incorrectly entered on the slab but coins were legitimate. I have returned the coins to be re-holdered and re-numbered.

 

If you re-read the posts, he did that and so did others.

 

Thanks for the list you provided.

 

Even though the picture isn't great the coin doesn't look right. I have never seen a label in a slab move so that's suspect right off. Looks like a fake in a fake. Even the estimated price is way off. An 1856-S in MS 61 is worth more than $1,800.00. Run away fast....

 

100% fake. Easy way to tell - download a free QR reader. The barcode has the PCGS coin#, grade, and cert# in it. This barcode matches an 1893-S MS64 $1. Counterfeiters are lazy. You can bet there's a bunch of 1893-S Morgans out there with this slab too, and probably other coins.

 

The going price of a real 1856-S in MS 61 is around $7,500 USD.

This is a fantasy coin. The real 1856 Type One double eagle has a simple straight-sided shield on the reverse. This "coin" has the elaborate curved-sided shield of a Type Two or Type Three double eagle. These types were only made after 1865, and they have the motto "In God We Trust" above the shield.

Everything about this coin looks wrong, like straight off Alibaba. It has distorted and out-of-proportion date and lettering, and it is too clean for a 61, with no luster and no marks. I am surprised this piece would get as far as the website of a reputable seller.

If you are considering buying a gold coin, check it against similar examples on the web. Doug Winter's site has an education section with a "Coinapedia" showing examples of every date and mintmark of US gold coin.

 

I forgot to mention, even if there is no picture of the coin itself when you check the PCGS number, click on the "PCGS #" shown in the top item of the list of information for the coin. The link will take you to a page with photos and auction sale prices and records for the type. (PCGS # 8919 in this case). Lots of good information for researching the type there.

 

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my post. I am only a novice coin collector and even though I did spot that this coin was a fake I really appreciate the backup from you guys. Cheers.

 

As an aside, for some reason every time I scanned your bar code with the PCGS cert app, it kept bringing up this morgan:

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/13663977

Not sure if the app is faulty or the bar code just doesn't match the number on the label.

 

Labels can move on rare occasions in PCGS holders, but in this case the “coin” inside does not look to genuine. The mere fact that the serial number matches with an 1856-S $20 gold coin means nothing. Counterfeiter get the serial numbers from sources like auction sites and proceed from there.

 

The old saying, "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is." If they pulled it, you have a win win. Let it go, move on... Good luck.

 

More like 2 grand I think

 

Here is a real one with large photos: Verify NGC Certification | NGC (ngccoin.com)

 

And here is a detail of the Original Post coin compared to a recent 1856-S MS61 sold on Heritage Auctions. What was that kid's game where you try to spot all the oddities in a drawing? "What's Wrong With This Picture" comes to mind. It would be interesting to know how the fantasy coin was produced.

 

Never learned 'metric', did you ?? In good company, I haven't either !!

 

If I am looking at a coin and something looks "fully/different" AVOID
Semper Fi

 

My slightly "circulated" example. Beth Deisher used the image in her latest book and a few counterfeit presentations.

 

But you have to love the jumping 5...

 

Wasn't this item in an earlier thread?