1794 Conder Token, Somerset, Bath DH 26, UNC

Yes, they do. : )

That's because they were struck with the same dies. But the double token is listed in Dalton & Hamer as a one penny token. 'Double token' meant twice the value of a halfpenny.

 

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Pidcocks

If you like the images on these tokens as I do, but are afraid of breaking the bank,
you might put together a group of halfpenny or farthing tokens which have all the images
without collecting every token and variety. This requires less than half the number of tokens.
After all, how many two-headed cows does someone need?! :goofer:

 

One of my favorite Conder Tokens

Ah, yes, the Pidcock farthing. This is a prized item from ebay a few years back.

 

Beautiful... love these conders. I've often felt like getting into these tokens, but I just feel like there's so much ground to cover, I couldn't do a collection any justice without it taking over completely.

 

Here's the Conder I got for Christmas.

It's a 1791 Sir Bevois Halfpenny.

I was lucky enough to find this interesting read that details Sir Bevois history.

http://www.southernlife.org.uk/bevois.htm

-LTB

 

Those are cool coins!!

 

Interesting story...I think he just dropped the sword out the window, it landed in an Ox cart, and when it reached Bevois Hill, it fell out and the cart ran it over...breaking it in two. That's what I think happened! :goof:

Late at night, (usually after a couple Jack&Cokes) I'll bid on a Condor token or two...for something to do. I never intended to collect tokens, but have somehow put together a collection of about 60-70 that I really like.

What bothers me is that I have no idea what I'm doing...other than collecting interesting old hunks of copper. I have no idea if these tokens are real and, if so, how to catagorize them into smaller collections that can be completed.

I've looked for some sort of reference book that list the various types of tokens and their relative rarity...like the "Standard Catalog of United States Tokens 1700-1900" by Russell Rulau...but I can't find one.

I've found some helpful information online but is this work complete? It would appear that these tokens were only made between 1791-1796. Why would so many millions of tokens be made, but only in those years...or are those just token dates (no pun intended).

I was hoping someone could recommend a good reference guide to these interesting coins....thanks! :high5:

 

Larry, your new Conders are very nice and I especially like how you Photoshopped both sides plus the edge plus descriptive text for a beautiful composite photograph. It looks like something from a Spinks or Heritage auction catalog.

Mind if I adopt your style?

 

Thanks for the compliments. : )

yakpoo... Conder Tokens are named after James Conder, who catalogued the tokens.

They are real, and they were the predominant change during the years form 1787-1796. In 1797 the royal government began making small change of copper again, which they had not done for about 40 years.

The man who produced that official coinage in 1797 was Matthew Boulton, at his Soho Mint near Birmingham. Pictured below is a token manufactured by Matthew Boulton. The engraver was Rambert Dumarest, a French artist working at Soho.

hiho... I certainly do not care if you use my format, and thanks for asking. : )







It is fully proof with mirror fields. It seems no single image tells all about this piece. It is a joy to photograph in all kinds of lighting. ; )

 

Larry, Thanks for the info. I renewed my search online and found some good sites under the "Exteral Links" of the Wikipedia page for "Conder Tokens".

I'm really jealous of your...

1) Beautiful Conder collection, and
2) Your great photography skills!

(I just began learning digital coin photography last week. I'm having a heck of a time learning how to best light the subject...but that's a topic for another thread)

Thanks for taking the time to share. :bow:

 

yakpootography

Hey, yakpoo...
If you will start a thread on numismatography, I will be glad to participate to some extent. : )
You could start with questions or photos. : )
It will help if you describe your camera and lighting there. : )

 

Thanks Larry. And that proof Glasgow token is amazing.

 

Yeah, why isn't there a photography section here at CoinTalk where we can discuss the most proven techniques of taking photos of coins? Coin photography is spread out and intertwined within multiple threads, but it would be very nice to have an entire section dedicated to coin photography that could be easily referenced.

-LTB

 

Somersetshire, Bath 41, Uncirculated

Here's a new addition to my Conder Token collection.

 

And a couple English tokens from me.
1. Halfpenny 1790, Macclesfield.
2. Halfpenny 1795, George prince of Wales.

 

Nice Conders, free from any problems, Siberian Man, and very nice images too.

Thanks for sharing them here. : )

 

More nice Conders and excellent photos Larry, thanks for sharing. :hug:

 

A recent addition, a 1796 Portsea, D&H Hampshire 79...




And an interesting comment from Condor101...

"An interesting co-operative token used at three different taverns, The George owned by John Courtney, The Ship owned by Edward Frost, and the Brown Bear owned by S. Salmon. Many tokens are redeemable at different locations or offices of a business, but I think this is the only one that was actually designed to be used by more than one business. The design reflects two of the businesses (St George and the Ship), and the third proprietor (the Salmon). Mintage about 50,000."

 

I love that St George killing the Dragon scene. I picked up this half sovereign exactly for that reason oh, and to cure gold fever too! Anyways, I been singing the "no money blues" lately so it will be awhile before I get to enjoy a Conder. :crying: I have a couple or 3 but I want to get a really nice one next time. :thumb:

 

I picked up another example of Scotland, Glasgow DH2 on ebay last week. It's another proof Conder Token, struck by Matthew R. Boulton
at his famed Soho Mint. The R.D. in exergue indicates the engraver, Rambert Dumarest, near the date, which in Roman numerals spells out 1791.