VICTORIA is running

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is an observation. Procopius and Flavius Victor do not have Victory on any of their copper types.

    Vetranio
    VetranioHOCSIGNOVICTORERIS1501.jpg

    The famous "HOC SIGNO VICTOR ERIS" type. 23 mm. 4.86 grams.
    RIC VIII Siscia 281
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LAELIANUS

    Usurper of the Gallic Empire

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    RI Laelianus CE 269 AE Ant 19mm 3.4g Moguntiacum mint Radiate cuirassed Victory RIC Vb 9 p373 black
     
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  4. jdmKY

    jdmKY Well-Known Member

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    Since @Marsyas Mike cheated with Republican coins I will too. Here are 3 of Brutus.
     
  5. jdmKY

    jdmKY Well-Known Member

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    Antony/Scarpus
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    Hostilius Saserna
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    Cato Uticensis
     
  6. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member Supporter

    I have a few coins with victory reverses. Couldn't help noticing that Victoria looked a lot like what modern Westerners would call angels. I was curious about whether this representation transitioned into angels once the Judeo-Christian religions got a real footing in the Empire, or if the similarities are just coincidence.

    The sources that I could find with a quick search stated that the usage of Victoria in art transitioned to angels once Christianity took hold, like the OP said. However, they did not say anything about whether one iconography was actually derived from the other. Any of you have anymore insight on the subject?
     
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  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Here's a quote from a good book-- "This is perhaps the only case in which the transition from pagan goddess to Christian angel is perfectly clear."

    Harold Mattingly, The Man in the Roman Street. New York: W. W. Norton & Company (1976) : 79.
     
  8. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Republican Victories tended to be a lot more racy, both literally and figuratively, than Imperial ones, as in these examples -- especially the first one:

    Roman Republic, C. Naevius Balbus, AR Serrate Denarius, 79 BCE, Rome Mint. Obv. Head of Venus [or Juno, see BMCRR p. 366] right, wearing diadem, necklace and long earring, hair long, S • C [Senatus Consulto] behind / Rev. Winged Victory, naked to waist, driving triga right, with rightmost horse turning head back towards the others; control-number CLIII (= 153, with L in form of upside-down T); in exergue, C•NAE•BALB [AE and LB ligate]. Crawford 382/1b, RSC I Naevia 6 (ill.), Sydenham 760b, Sear RCV I 309 (ill.), Grueber, BMCRR 2926-2976 (this control-number at BMCRR 2964), RRM I Ch. 6 at pp. 28-31 [Michael Harlan, Roman Republican Moneyers and their Coins, 81 BCE-64 BCE (2012)]. 19 mm., 3.92 g. [Footnote omitted.]

    Naevius Balbus Venus-Victory in Triga Both Sides.png

    Roman Republic, Ti. Claudius Ti.f. Ap.n. Nero [Tiberius Claudius Nero, son of Tiberius and grandson of Appius], AR Serrate Denarius, 78 BCE, Rome Mint. Obv. Draped bust of Diana right with hair in topknot, bow and quiver over shoulder, figure of stag’s head at end of bow (horns to left), S • C [Senatus Consulto] before / Rev. Winged Victory driving galloping biga right, with horses’ heads straining forward, holding wreath in right hand and palm frond and reins in left hand, control number CXXXIIII beneath horses; in exergue, TI•CLAVD•TI•F [VD ligate] / [A]P•N [AP ligate] in two lines. Crawford 383/1, RSC Claudia 5, Sear RCV I 310 (ill.), Sydenham 770, BMCRR 3096-3113 [Control number CXXXIIII not included], Harlan, RRM I Ch. 8, pp. 36-39 [Harlan, Michael, Roman Republican Moneyers and their Coins, 81 BCE-64 BCE (2012)]. 18 mm., 4.01 g., 6 h. [Footnote omitted.]

    Ti. Claudius Nero 79 BCE Diana-Victory in biga jpg version.jpg
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That is why I like the Roman Republic! They have RACY WOMEN!

    VICTORY in BIGA

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    RR Servius Rullus MF Rufus 100 BCE AR Den Minerva Victory Biga S 207 Cr 328-1 Left


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    RR Porcius Cato 123 BCE AR Den Roma X Victory Biga S 149 Cr 274-1


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    RR Rutilius Flaccus 77 BCE AR Den Roma Victory wreath biga Craw 387-1
     
  10. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    What's better than Victory? Two, of course.

    That's what this AE 33 from Pisidia, Antioch has on the reverse. I don't know this did Gordian III much good, though.

    22.3 grams

    D-Camera  Gordian III PISIDIA, Antioch 238-244 AD. AE 34 22.3g Roma 2019 7-31-21.jpg
     
  11. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    You can check off Trajan Decius.

    249-251 CE
    Double sestertius
    31.3 grams

    D-Camera Trajan Decius, double sestertius, 249-51 AD, Victory, 31.3 g, . 10-16-20.jpg
     
  12. Alwin

    Alwin Well-Known Member

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    MARCIAN (450-457)
    Solidus, Constantinople
    S 4322 - RIC X, 508
    DN MARCIANVS PF AVG, Helmeted and cuirassed bust facing
    VICTORIA AVGGG, Victory standing left, holding long cross, CONOB
     
  13. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    A couple of full Victory depictions rather than Victory held...

    Carus
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    Carinus
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    Tetricus I
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    Constantius Gallus
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    Some gap fillers but just holding Victory
    Macrianus
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    Saloninus
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    Galerius
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    Constantine II
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  14. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member


    And Pupienus (not mine anymore though)

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    Pupienus, Sestertius - Rome mint, AD 238
    IMP CAES M CLOD PVPIENVS AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    VICTORIA AVGG, Victory standing, head turned on the left, holding wreath in her right hand, palm and drapery in her left hand
    24.9 gr 31 mm
    Ref : RIC IV # 23a, Cohen # 38

    Q


     
  15. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Numerian (but an Alexandrian Nike!)

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    Didumenian (Provincial Nike)
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  16. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

  17. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Since Q opened the door to coins we merely used to own, I can add this Valentinian III:
    vict val iii.jpg

    Here's who's still missing, split into three levels of difficulty:

    Easier ones (we should be able to get these)
    Antoninus Pius
    Clodius Albinus
    Macrinus (esp. provincial)
    Severus II (post-reform radiate)
    Maximinus II
    Zeno

    Tricky (very few types feature Victory)
    Otho
    Nerva
    Aelius
    Philip II
    Herennius Etruscus
    Hostilian (only as Augustus, very scarce)
    Valerian II
    Quietus
    Carausius
    Allectus
    Julian II

    Impossible, or nearly so?
    Pertinax (nothing on acsearch with Victory)
    Didius Julianus (ditto)
    Maximus (almost nothing on acsearch)
    Domitius Domitianus (a couple extremely rare types)
    Delmatius (only on extremely rare silver and gold)
    Hannibalianus (nothing on acsearch)
    Procopius (nothing on acsearch)
    Flavius Victor (only on very rare silver and gold)

    And why did I just spend a bunch of time compiling this? Good question! :wacky:
     
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  18. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Max Daia
    Antioch
    Genius holding Victory
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    (Updated list of SA)


    Here's who's still missing, split into three levels of difficulty:

    Easier ones (we should be able to get these)
    Antoninus Pius
    Clodius Albinus
    Macrinus (esp. provincial)
    Severus II (post-reform radiate)
    Zeno

    Tricky (very few types feature Victory)
    Otho
    Nerva
    Aelius
    Philip II
    Herennius Etruscus
    Hostilian (only as Augustus, very scarce)
    Valerian II
    Quietus
    Carausius
    Allectus
    Julian II

    Impossible, or nearly so?
    Pertinax (nothing on acsearch with Victory)
    Didius Julianus (ditto)
    Maximus (almost nothing on acsearch)
    Domitius Domitianus (a couple extremely rare types)
    Delmatius (only on extremely rare silver and gold)
    Hannibalianus (nothing on acsearch)
    Procopius (nothing on acsearch)
    Flavius Victor (only on very rare silver and gold)
     
  19. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I confess that I haven't read the whole thread -- do we already have an Elagabalus provincial Nike from Alexandria?

    Elagabalus - Alexandria - Nike reverse - CNG 2017 photo.jpg

    How about an Arcadius solidus with Constantinopolis holding Victory?

    Arcadius solidus photo Dr. Busso Peuss jpg version from MA-Shops.jpg
     
  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    JOHANNES

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    Johannes
    AE nummus 1.4g 10mm
    Obv: DN IOHANN-ES PF AVG, pearl-diademed, draped bust right
    Rev: SALVS REI-PVBLICAE, Victory holding trophy and dragging captive, Chi-Rho to left
    RM in ex, Rome mint (struck 423-425 AD)
    Ref: RIC X 1913
     
  21. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Well sure, it's a Johannes and all ...

    BUT ...

    Do you have Victoria dragging R2D2????

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