Gold Counterfeit Mold,

Could this be real.. The value would be huge? Is it even Legal to have?
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-5-Dollar-Gold-Coin-Piece-Counterfeit-Mold-1-of-a-Kind_W0QQitemZ120510058890QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item1c0ef5918a


I bet there is a guy in China that would love it..
It is Super neat.. But should be locked up in a museum..LOCKED

 

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VERY interesting.

 

A bit scary.. I almost want it destroyed.. Almost.. Then again.. I would also like to own it.. under lock and key.. Its got to be worth a mint...Ha! LOL

 

wow!

It closed at $2,000. even.

 

Thought:
Is it illegal to counterfeit a counterfeit mold?

hmmmmmmmmmm..............

 

I think it probably is real, I don't think it is actually a mold, I think it is a pair of dies. (No place to pour the metal in. But you could put premade blanks in it, then the pins and holes hold it together and keep it from moving while you smack it with a sledgehammer.) And no it is not legal own. There is always some question about the legality of owning or holding counterfeit coins, but the law on counterfeit dies or mold is specific. Even the mere possession of them is illegal. See the second and third paragraphs.

Title 18 Chapter 25 Sec 487

Whoever, without lawful authority, makes any die, hub, or mold, or any part thereof, either of steel or plaster, or any other substance, in likeness or similitude, as to the design or the inscription thereon, of any die, hub, or mold designated for the coining or making of any of the genuine gold, silver, nickel, bronze, copper, or other coins coined at the mints of the United States; or

Whoever, without lawful authority, possesses any such die, hub, or mold, or any part thereof, or permits the same to be used for or in aid of the counterfeiting of any such coins of the United States—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than fifteen years, or both.

My 1990 listing of the law specified the fine at $5,000. The current version leaves the amount of the fine open. But would I have bought it if I could? Yep.

 

2.5 Dollar Gold Coin Piece Counterfeit Mold,1 of a Kind

???hows a counterfeit ever 1 of a kind. ololol

 

beat me to it. was thinking the same thing.:thumb:

 

condor

I was wondering if it is okay to counterfeit the fake mold.

 

so is government going to step in this auction and repossess this real/counterfiet die?

honestly the more i look at the pics it just looks like an old piece of scraped up junk. if you tried to press a coin with that it still wouldnt be worth more then the pressed metal.

 

maybe a govt agent was the high bidder :rolling:

 

I think they're saying the mold is one of a kind - not the counterfeits made from the mold (i.e. die).

 

Free shipping ! Yay ! :hail:

 

I,ll take one!!

 

See the FIRST paragraph in the law I posted above. A copy of that mold would still fit under that description as being an illegal item.

 

Very odd. I would not have bid on it not only because I wouldn't want it but because of the legality or lack there of, for owning it. I wouldn't give him $10 for it.

I'm not concerned that that is capable of producing any plausible counterfeits anymore. The whole thing is weak. The date is half gone. The numbers look like they were bad. The centers of the 8 don't look right at all. This would have made a poor counterfeit IMO.

 

my first line was a quote of the first line in his ebay listing. if we tried to make dies of any sort they would also be 1 of a kind but who would want them.

 

I wonder if the winning bidder is in China

 

Nope, a collector/specialist from the midwest was the winning bidder. Also, these are completely legal to own and use despite conder's previous post.

These were used to make the copper "dies" for printing blocks. More than likely would have been used in a price guide but could have been used in a catalog or reference book.

The ebay seller did a disservice to himself by scrubbing the faces...probably would have gotten 2x the closing price. These molds are pretty difficult to come by..I usually see one or two a year. The copper printing blocks are scarce but, when offered are usually sold/ found in groups.


Here is my 1818 $5 gold Half Eagle printing block and a 1794 1/2 Cent block.

 

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Well, there's the answer we all have been asking for. Now, the low relief of the mold is more understandable. Just ask a question, here on CoinTalk and someone here will either,know it or find the answer. You gotta love this place.

Bruce