Hope everyone’s doing well. 2014 Utah quarter seems to be doubled die your opinions are appreciated and welcome.Especially on the four on the date
Another one of these single-squeeze, strike-doubled, "doubled dies." Yeah, looks like one. But don't get confused. It's a doubled die, sure enough, because it's on the die. But it's just strike doubling at the hubbing stage. That's why neither image is a full image, but both are cut in half. They take from one to make two, from one full image to make two half images, adjacent to one another. Just as in strike doubling, except it's on the die, and as such, it repeats.
I don't think that's correct. Coins like these don't get the "doubling" from the die. They get it the same way a normal coin gets MD. The difference being, the parts in question are incuse so they bounce differently than your normal MD. That being said, I could be wrong (I often am!)
I think maybe we're saying the same thing. It's how the die looks, when it's all said and done. So that's why these repeat, unlike strike doubling. Terminology-wise, how does "single-squeeze doubling" work for you? It happens the same way as in strike doubling, but it's at the die, or hubbing stage, and not the striking of the planchet stage. Does that make any sense?
Sorry guys I’m still not getting this doubled die stuff I was looking online trying to research and understand them and from what they said with strike and machine doubling there will not be split serif but according to what you’re saying obviously there will be. So how do you determine when it is a true doubled die?
I will check out in incuse mechanical double. thanks for all you guys knowledge I will figure this out!
Harder to do when it is the incuse part of the coin. If the coin design is incuse, the "doubling" would be narrower than the original design instead of being larger. If it is "incuse mechanical doubling", the original design is then larger than it was to begin with. A real regular doubled die "adds" to the design where-as the incuse "doubled die" would make the design smaller. Weird, I know. Regular doubling: http://www.error-ref.com/?s=doubled+die Incuse machine doubling: http://www.error-ref.com/incused-machine-doubling/
OK, this "split serif" thing is an attribute of adjacent hubbings on the die. They're just two hubbings ("punches," "squeezes," whatever visualization works for you), just off from one another. The important thing to get, and which many of you, I'm sorry to say, overlook, is that it, by definition, can only happen when there are two hubbings. Again, it's an attribute of two adjacent hubbings, just a little off. Assuming you're following that, answer this. How can you get two hubbings out of one hubbing? How can a single hubbing result in an attribute specific to a double hubbing? Assuming you're on the ball, lol, you know it can't. Therefore, what's this business of "split serifs" in some of these single-squeeze hubbings? We're almost there. All you need to do is visualize a "hubbing" as a "strike." That's in fact what it is. It just happens at the die and not the planchet stage. The hub strikes the die in much the same way the die later strikes the planchet. It's just a single time. The single-squeeze process of die-making has the same attributes as the single-strike process of coin-making. Every single thing that can go wrong in the latter resulting in doubled images on the coin can go wrong in the former resulting in doubled images on the die. There's just a caveat, and I'll not digress into the specifics of it, but it deals with the configuration of the single-squeeze hubbings being more amenable to tilted strikes, or, at least, that's how I got it. But for whatever the reason, these images are mimicking splitting. And when they're leaving their business on the edges, mimicking serif-splitting. So how do you determine when it is a true doubled die? If it's from a single-squeeze hubbing, there are no true doubled dies, and any splitting or split serifs you may see on those coins are just the result of a skip or a hop when the die blank was squeezed by the hub. Those attributes are irrelevant in single-squeeze "doubled dies." Whether they're present or not is irrelevant. You're looking for any kind of "doubling" in those, whether but a flat smear, or whatever, it doesn't matter. As long as it's on the die, there's your elusive single-squeeze "Wexler: WDDO-007|FS-01-313|CONECA: 11-O-V|Crawford: CDDO-0083," or whatever the hell, you got it! Great job! Wishing you continued um success!
