Question on Archival Quality Vinyl Flips vs Museum Quality Flips

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Chris Winkler, Jul 12, 2021.

  1. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Plus I can flip it, use as a golf ball marker, and get a somewhat tactile feel of the roundness of the coin and still get a very good look at the surface with a loupe, if I want. Try any of that with the coin in a card board 2 x 2 or vinyl flip. For long term storage it is the way to go for sure. DSCN2757~3.JPG
     
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  3. CygnusCC

    CygnusCC Roping the Learns Supporter

    I know very little about them, but I wonder what the future will tell us about the black foam/sponge holder in these airtights. Don't know if they use plasticisers or not, or if that even applies for this material.

    Any thoughts on whether these could degrade and/or harm the coins over 10-20 years?
     
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    OK, but whatever your point is, it doesn't change the one I made.
     
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  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The ring inserts are made of inert material, the holder itself is made of inert material. That means that even if you wait a thousand years there's nothing either one of them can do to harm the coin.
     
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  6. AuldFartte

    AuldFartte Well-Known Member

    Many years ago I used cardboard 2x2s and flattened a lot of staples. I never really liked them, they were just cheap. I switched to SaFlips and have been using them for many years now, and I've never had problems with them. After reading Doug's @GDJMSP analysis, I am now going to switch to Airtites. I have one immediate issue with them. I need to research them to see if hammered coins will fit in them because so many have somewhat irregular shapes. If anyone knows of a simple solution to that issue, please let me know. @GDJMSP , thank you for your analysis and comments.

    Edit to add: Also, are there albums that will easily hold Airtites?
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah, most hammered coins will fit in Air-Tite holders, but you'll have to use the ring insert type. And you'll probably have to experiment with some of them to find which ring size works best for each coin. But if you keep a selection of different size holders and different size rings on hand it's usually not too hard to do that. And what doesn't work with one will work another most of the time.

    Now ancients, well I was never a collector of them, but I know that some ancients are too thick to fit in Air-Tites - the two halves won't close.

    And yes, there are several different companies that make albums designed to hold Air-Tites. Just make sure the album, (both the cover and the pages), you select is made of inert materials. The only reason I mention that is because not all of the albums are made of inert materials. So check before you buy !
     
  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    C'mon...should I pay $5 for $1 worth of coins?
     
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  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    As I said, not even that changes the point I made. Which was -

    Are those coins that only worth $1 worthy of being in your collection ? If they are, then shouldn't you be doing everything you can do to protect them as best you can ? And if your answer is no, then why are you collecting them to begin with ?

    What I mean is, why would anyone want to bother with collecting something when they don't care what happens to it ? If it's not worth protecting, then why collect it at all ?
     
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  10. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Nunya dang business.
     
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  11. AuldFartte

    AuldFartte Well-Known Member

    Thank you, sir! Much appreciated.
    Tom
     
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I agree. But then I'm not judging, I'm merely pointing out that the logic doesn't follow.
     
  13. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone has touched on another real culprit for spots. Dust. Dust specks (i.e., environmental contamination) can get onto a coin from any flip, slab or other holder if it isn't completely clean when the coin goes in. And the dirt can come in with the coin, so that has to be completely clean as well.

    My recommendation is that the owner look at the coin in ANY kind of holder from time to time to make sure it isn't changing for the worse.

    If you're not interested or willing to look at your coins from time to time to preserve and enjoy them, I suggest that you sell them to someone who is.
     
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  14. Chris Winkler

    Chris Winkler Well-Known Member

    Nope, there were pinholes where the black was, most likely from staples.
     
  15. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Indeed. Some good points on the cost perspective. I have most all of my 300 high-end raw Morgans and Peace $1, plus another 200 or so Walkers, Franklins and Washingtons in these and similar of Airtites and Guardhouse, etc. capsules...some have the black retainer ring and others not. When I was at the ANA Museum in CO Spgs recently, bought several 10-count boxes of the Guardhouse capsules for 38.1mm $1 and for halves at $3.95 ea...just 40c per capsule. That said, I've had many other coins of less conditions in Saflips for years...rarely have to remove them or shuffle around, etc., but check them periodically and no problems.
     
  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    who would staple in the middle of a flip?
     
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  17. whopper64

    whopper64 Well-Known Member

    Still can't believe no one has mentioned this for safe storage of 2X2 flips. Purchase a Dansco 7000 album. It has 6-7 pages that hold 12 flips per page. Don't forget to purchase the protective slip cover to provide environmentally controlled conditions. Your flips are protected from the environment and will keep at least 7-10 years. After that purchase another slip cover.
     
  18. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    I have a few Löser which are too big for my 2 1/2 x 2 1/2" (6.35 x 6.35 cm) safety flips. I cannot find any larger ones in the U.S. without PVC. Does anyone know where one can get 3 x 3 or 3 1/2 x 3 1/2" (7.62 - 8.89 cm) PVC -free / plasticizers free (thank you, GDJMSP) Coin Flips ?
     
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  19. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    Perhaps @cpm9ball might know of something. He has a lot of beautiful medals and must have a way of storing them.

    Steve
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Nobody. He wasn't talking about flips, he was talking about 2x2s.

    It is pretty easy and fairly common for the staples in other 2x2s to rub against the face of the mylar and create the pinholes in the 2x2 behind them.
     
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  21. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    I don't understand how. The staples are at the edges of the 2x2s, not near the middle where the Mylar is. Do you mean it happens when removing or inserting a 2x2 in a box?

    Actually, I'm now leaning towards an earlier suggestion of putting empty installed 2x2s between each coin in my boxes.
     
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