GTG: 1903 Indian Cent

Dips them with what?

 

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That seems totally plausible. Now, how does he get them certified as straight-graded by NGC?

 

That's gonna remain a mystery I guess. I wonder how many he sends in and cracks out.

 

What I suspect is that he does what the two known coin doctors in Orlando do—he has non-toned coins already graded, gasses then in the slab, and then sells them as market acceptable. For PCGS, he takes a graded coin, gasses it, and then has the coin reholdered in a brand new holder, with a TrueView. It does not require re-grading. Everybody who buys toned coins knows about these two coin doctor sellers.

 

A question we should all ask is how many 100+ year old copper coins, especially red and red-brown, that have been straight graded have been dipped at some time in the past? If we start second guessing every coin that we have in our collection then we may as well find another hobby. I like the look of the 1903 IHC posted in this thread. I would welcome it in my collection.

 

I used to collect Indians. Now I just try to cherrypick varieties. If I was still collecting, I would stick to the Brown ones, like I was doing. I've gone back to my second passion, Buffalo Nickels. Cherried 2 1918/7-D's recently. One from ebay and one from another auction site.

 

Very nice coins!

 

Good for you!

 

Thanks Q

 

There is no way to change it. You can send a message to one of the moderators, but they rarely change it (unless there is some sort of big issue with your username).

 

With this seller, I don't think he does anything unusual. He just sends them to NGC and they grade them. NGC appears to have decided this look is mostly market acceptable (despite what some of us might think).

 

I collect RB & Bn Indian Head Cents, never RD, and I avoid coins like this one with what I consider "flat" toning. It looks unnatural to me, and it doesn't matter if it is in a NGC, PCGS or any other slab.

I have a group of Indian Head cents, common dates, with a progression of toning from very minimal red, usually located in the devices and around the stars, to ones almost attaining full red. When viewed in hand they always have a progression of toning. I enjoy the ones with what I consider a "halo" of toning in the fields on the obverse. Most of these coins are slabbed as MS-62, MS-63 and MS-64. I do have a few MS-65 BN that are a beautiful milk chocolate color. Recently I have started adding "Blueberries" and others that is usually found on Proof Indian Cents from the 1880s.

As they say toning is in the eye of the beholder. And I would have expected this IHC to be graded as "Unc, Questionable Color"

 

MS65 RB

 

Nice coin

 

I don't know who the 2 sellers are, would you like to tell me? You can PM me if you don't want to name them in the open forum, but I sure would like to know who they are so I can avoid them. Thanks Steve.

 

It is common knowledge, so I will say it, as it has been discussed a lot. Ed’s Dynamic Marketing and Mother Nature’s Showroom are thought to be major manipulators of coin color. They are owned by the same person.

 

Thank you very much, I have never heard of them, but I now know to avoid them. Thanks Steve.