Seeking some token information

Before posting this I checked for a category on exonumia so apologies if it's in the wrong place. Anyway, I picked this up after researching it prior. Something I do out of habit to know where my price limit is based on the number graded and those higher. I was shocked to find that NGC has this one as the sole specimen with no information listed. Checking PCGS and a few other third party firms shows zero. Surely this is not a one of one token. So, I began the research and found absolutely nothing about this or any other Scotch-Irish tokens. The first place I thought would surely have something would be Numista, again nothing.

I know that this token was struck by J.E. Caldwell of Philadelphia for the June 26-July 1, 1890 second annual congress (meeting) held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. There were different host cities each year. Any further information on this or the existence of other tokens would be great appreciated. As is the comments or general thoughts.

 

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I see the bots are still here. This one is called JadaGet. It posted right after Long Beard's post about info on a token.

 

I don't know anything about the token, beard, but I will say it's very nice.

 

I think that I would contact the Society. It might bennefit you to find out if this was a commemorative token. Or a token given out at the second congressional meeting. You might also contact JE Caldwell and see what records they have on the token.

 

I would start here...they may know where you can get all ten (10) of the early SIS Congress tokens (assuming they exist)...

EARLY ANNUAL CONGRESS JOURNALS 1889 – 1901

• 1st Scotch-Irish Congress – May 8-11, 1889 – Columbia, TN
• 2nd Scotch-Irish Congress – May 29 to June 1, 1890 – Pittsburgh, PA
• 3rd Scotch-Irish Congress – May 14-17 1891 – Louisville, KY
• 4th Scotch-Irish Congress – April 28 – May 1, 1892 – Atlanta, GA
• 5th Scotch-Irish Congress – May 11-14, 1893 – Springfield, OH

• 6th Scotch-Irish Congress – June 7-10 1894 – Des Moines, IA
• 7th Scotch-Irish Congress – June 20-23, 1895 – Lexington, VA
• 8th Scotch-Irish Congress – June 4-7, 1896 – Harrisburg, PA
• 9th Scotch-Irish Congress June 7-10, 1900 – Knoxville, TN
• 10th Scotch-Irish Congress – May 30-June 2, 1901 – Chambersburg, PA

http://www.scotch-irishsocietyusa.org/

"In addition to the Congress Journals posted above, the SIS [Scotch-Irish Society] has produced modern Journals covering a wide range of material on the history, culture and the legacy of the Scotch-Irish in America.

For information please contact the Society secretary: scotchirishsociety@yahoo.com"

 

Thanks yakapoo. I would think at the least a few other years might exist. As you've listed, the journal records, has been my prime source thus far awaiting return e-mails. As one who's ancestry has been traced back to Ballyclare, Ireland I find these extremely appealing.

 

Not complaining just informing. Your medal could be listed as a so-called dollar without a value but generally speaking tokens have stated or assumed face values. TAMS (Tokens and Medals Society) has been gathering information on these for decades. Your preliminary research is excellent. Don't put any importance on the fact that TPGs have never been paid to slab any given token for two major reasons. Very few tokens are valued higher than the cost to slab them and condition is rarely a consideration to token collectors unless they have multiple samples to choose from which would greatly diminish the value anyway.
I personally own hundreds of thousands of tokens and would never consider slabbing any of them short of the elusive and often counterfeited BRASHER DOUBLOON. The other reason would just hurt feelings so I will tone it down and simply say that most of the average token collectors that I know or deal with on a regular basis do not respect the TPGs knowledge level as regards tokens and are ambivalent about their expertise on coins. Regarding your desire to know more about your ancestry there are a number of race based social organizations in the united states and Canada that you could find or join. Start looking at the GATHERING OF THE CLANS & THE HIGHLAND GAMES websites then examine their courtesy links to other groups. Don't forget to examine the various IRISH units in the u s military - especially in the civil war. Good luck in your search for knowledge and those other medals.

 

My mother's family name is McCabe. My sister does the Ancestry.com stuff and says we're related to some Scottish King 26 generations ago. Going back 26 generations, I would have 2 to the 26th (67,108,864) great-(whatever)-grandparents. I'm sure everyone's ancestry picks up a King or two going back that far.

One interesting thing she found...one of the three founders of the company that later became UPS was my Great-great Uncle, Evert McCabe...(not that I ever saw any of that money ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Parcel_Service

 

"...hundreds of thousands...??? Just one question: How/where do you have room for them all...let alone maintain organization and access...?

 

NGC MS-67 with a uneven hole in it, duh. Overall the coin looks good but the hole draws the eye directly to it before looking at the entire coin. TPIgnorance, sorry, only my opinion.

 

Many medals were INTENDED to have holes in them for suspension from a ring or ribbon. As such the presence of a hole does not reduce the grade. Some tokens were intended to have holes as well. For example this Burchell token from Middlesex (I do collect these) was an advertising token that was attached to packages of his "Sugar Plums for Worms" medication.


The box was tied with a ribbon that passed through the hole in the token. (And if you left the ribbon through the hole the token them became his "Anodyne necklace for children cutting teeth".) The Burchells tokens are almost always found with holes, although I do have one or two without holes. (I was once able to get a very nice uncirculated Burchell token from a dealer at a very cheap price because "it has a hole in it".)

 

Since you asked my state is in binders (40 if them). Other states are in pages in milk crates stacked to chest high. The ones that I am still sorting are in over a hundred double row 2x2 boxes and four fifteen gallon trash cans hold the loose ones that have not yet been holdered. I have bought several thousand count 2X2 pages to use and several 10,000 count orders of dollar size 2X2 cardboard flips for my wooden nickels and dollar size tokens. Used plastic flips hold my identified maverick tokens and woods. Nobody goes out and buys this much to get started. It grows and expands over the years, One purchase was 208,000 plastic tokens but many of those have been sold or traded. My trade sessions with friends are a sight to see. None of us exchange lists. We hand each other boxes to go through then settle up on trades when we are done. A good size trade can take more than a day. I can quickly find anything in my collections. I can only narrow down my duplicates by state to a box of what is already sorted. Eventually all from the same state that are duplicated will be together. In the past I have sold all of my tokens in large lots by state on ebay and it took one week. I did that to pay a huge doctor/hospital in 2004. When I decide to stop having trade bait I will do it again for my wife's benefit.

 

Holy Jesus !!

 

I've done Ancestry.com and I'm currently using Family Search. I've gone back hundreds of years and found distant relatives such as King James of England and Mary, Queen of Scotts.
The thing is, almost every American can trace their ancestry back to England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales and some sort of "Royal" family. The same with other European "Royalty".

The real question for me becomes " Will they let me move into the Palace and sit on the Throne? ".

 

Amazing...thanks...!

 

Thank you for the input Conder 101. Be safe

 

Scotch-Irish are the best. Hope my daughter marries a Catholic one

 

Thanks yakpoo

 

Great stuff. You should start a thread so us members can enjoy your knowledge and collection. I’m serious. I would read every bit of it. Hundred of thousands is a large collection. You should look at @Kentucky icon. That’s where he keeps his collection

 

My great great great great grandpa David Leslie. Was a general. If the story works out right. He rescued a king from the Tower of London. We have a castle too