This seller has several coins that appear to be counterfeit. Any help with confirmation of counterfeit is helpful as well as reporting and taking down the listing is appreciated 1878 CC even with the wear has the reverse of 79, obvious indicator of counterfeit https://www.ebay.com/itm/184920960880?hash=item2b0e25ef70:g:nTwAAOSwRstg4R8s 1891 CC has the typical fake applied toning look to the front, and reverse has the signature counterfeit hit on the eagles breast https://www.ebay.com/itm/184922570788?hash=item2b0e3e8024:g:urAAAOSwzW5g4hBY 1880 S has the applied toning counterfeit look. Haven't seen a counterfeit 1880 S before, but I guess there is a first for everything. https://www.ebay.com/itm/184910890483?hash=item2b0d8c45f3:g:5xMAAOSw0uNg4hqU Happy 4th yall
If I were selling Morgans I would at least furnish decent and clear photos. None of them are worth considering.
This sort of thing is really getting out of hand; I was just reviewing a listing for an 1870-S trade dollar, which of course, does not exist
I read somewhere recently that the FBI and a couple of other Govt. organizations caught about 40,000 Peace, Morgan and ASE counterfeits in a California sting operation. Just the tip of the iceberg though.
He has four 1891 CC for sale and four that have already sold (plus an 1879 CC and an 1885 CC sold). What's the chances of someone having eight 1891 CC's which is one of the tougher mintmarks?
This is one of the big reasons I buy most of my "big money" coins slabbed.(hell anything over 100 i prefer slabbed) but even with that you have to be careful as the fake slabs have gotten real good. so much so I won't buy if there is not trueview or ngc slab pic to verify it against..
Wow, this is pretty brazen. Look at the identical marks under "we trust" and on the left wing on 3 of his different 1891 CC auctions.
Do you know what the big Chinese counterfeiting rings call 40,000 assorted Morgan, Peace, and ASEs? Tuesday
Do you know what the big Chinese counterfeiting rings call 40,000 assorted Morgan, Peace, and ASEs? Tuesday
Yes, it's getting out of hand, but I'm not referring to counterfeit coins, if indeed they may be...but rather the dropping of accusations/suspicions of same in our laps here at CT and expecting us to take it from there, to do the investigating and reporting of them, et al. Is that the job of CT, its mods, et al...? What is the CT rule/policy on this sort of thing...? Who does what, when these things are dropped here like this...? I really don't know...maybe someone can enlighten me. I will say, however, that in this case I actually don't/can't see what's being alleged about these "counterfeit" (maybe not) coins...the "applied toning," "signature hit," et al. The 1878-CC photo is mixed up with an 1891-CC listing, but that's all I (can) see other than some worn/blurred, unattractive Morgans. And mixing up a listing...it happens...doesn't make someone a counterfeiter...a criminal.
Of course not. It's the job of concerned collectors, and this is a place where it's easy to find concerned collectors. CoinTalk itself plays no role whatsoever in enforcement or authentication; it's just a way for us to give each other a heads-up. If you don't think they're counterfeit, then of course you shouldn't report them to eBay.
Reporting suspicious coins is not an accusation, it is a request for information or confirmation about your concerns. Some people jump to conclusions quickly because of inexperience and some because of experience. We just have to sort out credibility and information for ourselves. I have often posted suspicious coins with no thought about whether the seller a counterfeiter, a victim of a counterfeiter or if I am suspicious of an authentic coin because of the prevalence of counterfeits and something just doesn't look right. I am guilty of posting my suspicions quickly, usually because they are a current eBay offering and the CT community is where I can find the opinions of others, some I respect from reputation and others who offer analysis which I may or may not agree with. But I only rarely conclude a seller is knowing part of the distribution ring. Most of the time my default position is it is simply someone who is unaware that it might be counterfeit. Only when a seller is new and has several suspicious coins does my suspicion switch from the coins to the seller. Even then, it is only a suspicion and not a conclusion. I believe most of the community is of a similar mind.
I scan the new eBay listings for what I think are fake Trade Dollars, generally if I spot an obvious fake and contact the seller, politely, they take it down. The other day I spotted a bad one and simply asked the seller for a weight. That's all. He pm'd me that it was 2g underweight and immediately took it down. Some sellers don't reply, or thank me and then let the listing run. In those cases I report the coin to eBay and come here and ask the CT Cavalry to mount up!
I usually start with an message to the seller. Other times when I am uncertain, I come to CT first for verification. The majority at least take a look and often take it down or in some cases, will send the coin off for authentication first before completing a transaction. That's when you know you have found a good seller. But a few just don't want me interfering in their scam and react like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Those are the ones I report.
