Rainbow toned morgan silver dollar

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  1. Haley♡

    Haley♡ Member

    I won this in an auction (on ebay). The picture looks nothing like what i recieved. Ive never had a rainbow toned coin before so Im not sure if this is what one looks like in person but theres really nothing rainbow about it. It almost looks like it was burned. Any thoughts on this 20210701_211240.jpg 20210701_211225.jpg
     
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  3. Haley♡

    Haley♡ Member

    This is what i was supposed to receive 20210701_214553.jpg o recieve lol Screenshot_20210701-214510_eBay.jpg
     
  4. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Looks like the sellers photos are a little "juiced" on the color. I have a similar one. If you put a strong light on the coin you might see some of the colors but muted and not quite as vibrant. DSCN2499_1~3.JPG DSCN2519~2.JPG
     
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  5. OldSilverDollar

    OldSilverDollar Unknown Member

    It's the same coin. they used a lighting trick of using several light sources at once when taking the picture to give it the illusion of luster when it's been cleaned and artificially toned.
    Return it through Ebay as Not as Discribed as the pictures are misleading and count as part of the discription, I wouldn't even contact seller just send it back Asap.
     
  6. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    I would return it. Looks nothing like the sellers photos.
     
  7. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Do they have a Return policy ? Good luck .
     
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  8. norantyki

    norantyki CoinMuncher

    Whatever 'tone' there is on that is actually the result of a past 'dipping' - many would even consider this a form of damage. As was mentioned before, multiple light sources and some photo manipulation were subsequently used to make it look much better than it does - invariably when selling, we all want to show the best face of the coin, but this is a little egregious. I have to agree with the return it advice.
     
  9. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    I agree with what others have said about returning it.

    You might want to check and make sure it's a real Morgan Dollar too.
     
  10. Seascape

    Seascape U.S. & World Collector

    Theres a ton of debates that have been had about rainbow toning. So if that's what you are seeking i would open a discussion about it. They get sketchy fyi. But educate yourself on the topic.

    As far as the coin goes.... it happens to all of us. Some sellers are better photographers than they are coin collectors.

    Do not contact seller. Item not as described. Open the case and send it back. They know what they did.
     
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  11. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Agree with the others. You can manipulate the lighting to make ugly toning appear to be beautiful rainbow toning. If you don't like the piece, I do believe you have a case for returning it.
     
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  12. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Agree on lighting/photographic "tricks" of the trade, although I find them more with copper/bronze coins than with silver. Also, coins in the shadows...like they really don't want you to see it. Remember, if it's any coin of value, don't hesitate to ask questions before buying (auction ending) plus for additional photos, even with specific lighting requests different than shown. Any legit seller with legit wares will do this. If they hesitate or find a way not to, etc., buyer beware.
     
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  13. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    Welcome. Like some have suggested, return it if you can. A true rainbow should be just that, but only experience could distinguish a natural from artificial.
     
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  14. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    my opinion steer clear of the "rainbow toned" sellers on ebay, most every one is using hyped pictures that don't show it's true coloration.

    My other advice is, if you are looking for "rainbow toned". I'd suggest keeping and eye on Ebay for PCI grading company holders which are known to tone coins nicely. Some people are listing them as toners, some don't, you have to be patient and wait for the right ones to appear and the right prices, the rainbow toned guys generally juice the price heavily.

    my opinion this listing is a bit steep and not a candidate, but the pictures are realistic on how it will look to the eye and given the right lighting will pop color.
    this guy even gives pictures with different lighting. clearly trying to be upfront about the color and what is possible given the right display of it.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/154499616900?hash=item23f8e51084:g:PGwAAOSwXj5gzqJP

    Well now, I'll just point you at this article from Sunnywood. I keep coming back to it myself.
    I can't really say it any better than it's already been said by someone else but this will give you more of an understanding of toning, "rainbow toned", and what causes it, and what colors you see, and at least a basic understanding of how natural toning works, to hopefully tell when it's not natural, or rigged pictures.

    https://forums.collectors.com/discu...nding-of-the-color-progression-on-toned-coins

    if you are into toned coins, you should have a firm grasp of what you should or shouldn't see before you spend money on them, there's plenty of "coin colorers" out there.
    Any PCI holdered coin that is toned I think will cross to PCGS or NGC without issue or being called artificially toned or questionable color. It's common knowledge in the hobby the PCI holders toned coins wildly. So if you are unsure, you could stick to that at first when purchasing and look for Nice looking PCI holdered coins.
    I just hate when people are misled or deceived and feel like they didn't get what they expected to see, which usually is what's going to happen with the "rainbow toned" people on ebay, that or folks spen the money on them, send it for grading, and the companies details it with AT or QC because the color is too wrong.
     
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  15. RogerC

    RogerC Well-Known Member

    Disregarding the photo, and the possible description, it looks to me to be a pretty nice coin. The seller should have described any photo enhancements such as brightness and color saturation. I, from past experience, would have questioned the photo. Whether the coin is kept or returned is relative to what you want and the price you paid.
     
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  16. You did not get what you thought you were going to get. I would return it. TC
     
  17. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    I know many of you have had success buying sight unseen from auctions and such online, and for some it's the only way you can buy coins. But I have a hard time doing that and only did it once. I'm fortunate in having three distinct ways of actually seeing coins in person that I want to buy, so I know what I'm getting.
     
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  18. DANIEL HENRIQUEZ

    DANIEL HENRIQUEZ Active Member

    That coin is very nice, however, rainbow coloring does not add any value to a coin despite what many may say. The rainbow effect is due to outside elements such as temperature or environment the coin is exposed to and has NO bearing on grading or otherwise. That said, many collectors have begun seeking out these rainbow coins for their individual appeal yet, they are the same as others and hold NO special value or grade. Still nice though. Good luck.
     
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  19. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    Same coin different light source. Based on the image very low unc or AU coin. Common date. I've seen the same type of pictures of coins being auctioned by large auction houses. They play with the lighting trying to bring any color out but, when looking at the coin in natural lighting they look more like yours. I don't like when they do it. Even when PCGS takes pictures of coins they do the same thing. I think they call it true view. But there is nothing true view about it. It's somewhat misleading. I don't what you paid but, that's a $35.00 to $45.00 dollar coin.
     
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  20. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    If you purchased it on eBay, they do have a return policy. I would be upset also, Good luck.
     
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  21. Mike Thornton

    Mike Thornton Learning something new everyday.

    I would return it, unless you got it for less then $40. Much better options out there.
    Good luck.
     
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