How to search for images of monuments in ancient coins

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  1. roger_pearse

    roger_pearse Junior Member

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  3. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I always try google
     
  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  5. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I don't believe there are any known coins of the Septizonium.

    Search here: if a building on a coin is definitively attributed, rest assured it will be described as such by any seller. Connection with a building greatly adds to collector interest in a coin. http://www.acsearch.info/
     
  6. Antoni Garcia

    Antoni Garcia New Member

    Teple of Debod in Sicily?

    Mr. Ardarition, Randygeki and Roger:

    I wrote about turrets? in a campgate, draw on ancients coins, on a little spanish forum called Catalogaciones.

    http://www.foro-colecciones.com/lec...urrets-on-campgate-isseh-jamman-t655.htm#3039



    I spoke about this building on a coin, photograph of Vcoins.


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    We can identify those objects on a top, they are [isseh jamman], altar of fire. I think they aren´t sacred altars. Their language suggest that they were used as braziers to defense castles, trowing hot coal or anything else.

    There isn´t any identification of a concret city.

    Here you have another coin of same campgate type, who shared here Anemicoak, Their exergue, [paj niyapa] speaks about bright of coin. You might read [pájat yapa], hole, or bunker? around castle?, But where is this castle?.


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    The problem is that generally, we don´t have mention of city´s name on legends, and there are numerous citys wich similar campgates.


    Hebrew transliteration can help us to localize some ancient temples.

    In this case, we might have one mention to the temple of Debod. We knew this coin appears in Sicily. It´s possible to link coin with a concret building, and we have too the disseny of the Temple of Debod, we can supose that it´s one copy of them, in this zone from Sicily.

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    But, it´s only one hypoteshy more. This word, semitic, "dbd", might be read [debod] or [dobéh_bada].


    Regards.
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    These Weber BBQ kettles have been the topic of much discussion in the hobby and there is little agreement on the matter. This link provides a summary of some ideas but there is no final answer that convinces all.
    http://www.ancients.info/forums/showthread.php?t=55
     
  8. Antoni Garcia

    Antoni Garcia New Member

    [qebura edom]

    Mr.Roger Pearse:

    On this coin, photograph from Parthia.com, you can see the text "qbyr (a)dm", [qebura edom], the tomb, and their hebrew legende speak about death but you can´t identify the man on observe, and there isn´t any city on their legend, "qrtm" [qéretim], it´s one general name for citys on this "qrs" [qéres], sheep.

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    You could study the disseny of this tombe, but it´s difficult to know were she was built.

    Regards.
     
  9. TheBigH

    TheBigH Senior Member

    I'm not good with ancient coins, but isn't that Nero on the obverse?
     
  10. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    It clearly is, there's no doubt about it. Never has been. Mr Garcia is full of it.
     
  11. TheBigH

    TheBigH Senior Member

    I think there is an issue with the language barrier.
     
  12. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector


    I think its more than that lol, I dont even know if he's a real person or someone playing a prank.
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The coin shows the temple of Janus, not a tomb.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Janus_%28Roman_Forum%29
    The coin of Nero is Jewish related in that it shows the pride Nero took in the closing of the doors of the Temple of Janus on the ocassion of Rome being at peace everywhere 'on land and sea'. This peace was ended by the First Revolt. If The sacred Peace was important enough to issue a coin, it was important enough for Nero to be upset enough to send Vespasian to put down the rebels in no uncertain terms. When Vespasian and Titus finished the job, the coins were less subtle and bear the legend "Judaea Capta".

    As for whether this post is a hoax or a language difficulty, I can not say. For those who are interested in coins rather than posting politics, the coin is available relatively commonly for something so well tied to history. The one shown is a sestertius and in great condition so it would sell for something in four digits. There are smaller asses of similar type that dip below $100 when found in so-so condition. Any coin of Nero sells well because he was such an interesting fellow. My page on it:
    http://dougsmith.ancients.info/feac38ner.html
     
  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I stand corrected. The sestertius sold for $12000 (5 digits) after being estimated at $4000.
    http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=10705

    It is, without doubt, a coin of value. There are worse looking coins that have brought $12000.
     
  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Yeah, nero and tiberius are ones I have a bit of a hard time finding one of. with a low price and ok quality.

    $12000 :O man..
     
  16. Antoni Garcia

    Antoni Garcia New Member

    Temple or Prison

    Mr.: Randygeki:

    In your research, you should to consider that the latin reading, has been a great difficult to know our history. Reading words without any link with disseny, and any meaning, most people use to compare draws on coin with some concret building, for having some knowledge.

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    Here historiographic on Wikipedia, pretend and expand to tave an hexastyle temple, and their hebrew text show that this building is´nt a temple, it´s one prison, ant this Philipp, it´s the villain, he´s waiting for beeing [ylyjq], executed.

    Regards
     
  17. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    I believe the worst thing about this is these threads are searchable and people might think what he is saying is valid. I understand if there are disagreements, but down right nonesense should be avoided if not removed.

    The above coin is that of Philip I and the reverse, which reads SAECVLVM NOVVM is a hexa temple with a statue of Roma within, clearly seen with staff in this example:

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    of course SAECULVM NOVVM means, roughly, 'new age'
     
  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I would feel better about a decision to write off this matter as nonsense if I were linguisticly able to understand the 'joke'. Reading the postings requires a person capable in English, Latin, Spanish and Hebrew. If a person lacks one of the three, it is possible that we fail to see what caused the nonsensical reading. Does the Hebrew translation of the Latin legends introduce a possible reading of tomb or prison that sails over the heads of those of us who read Latin? What is "ylyjq"? Are we all "Reading words without any link with disseny"? I had to look it up.
    http://www.hyperdic.net/ca/disseny

    Does anyone here feel literate enough in English, Latin, Spanish and Hebrew that could comment on potential sources for this confusion other than someone being a prankster or "full of it"?
     
  19. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    What it seems to me he is doing is transliteration. But if this is the case I do not know why he would make statements as if people are mis-translating coin inscription when they translate them literally from latin as he said in several statments:

    There are people who pretend read latin, and they are destroying grammatik of latin and confusing our history.

    In my opinion they only want ignore our semitic culture, in fact, they hate hebrew culture from Europe.

    or


    You migth know, that at this time, coins from Marsella were writen with hebrew language

    or

    Your comment it´s based in a wrong reading on ancient coinage from Europe. It´s the historiographic idea wich pretend read latin on those, semítics artifacts.


    or

    Let me tell you that this coin yours, doesn´t have any link with the sun, or with Antoninus emperor -- Commenting on a coin of Antoninus




    Over and over again he contradicts the facts, saying a coin is not from a certain city when it is clearly marked to be from that city...or stating that a person is mistranslating. He even calls what he is doing transliteration in one post and translation in another. He then CORRECTS people when they translate correctly and replaces the TRANSLATION with TRANSLITERATION

    Tansliteration is NOT translation, though he seems to be presenting it as such. I have no problem if someone wishes to engage in Transliteration but do not present such a thing as real or correct people who are translating correctly what the coin says.
     
  20. Gao

    Gao Member

    Best I can tell, what's going on is that he has some form of mental illness. He's vague about it, but I think that he has decided that there was some sort of Semitic Empire or something that controlled the Mediteranean, and these coins are all from that. He is specifically claiming that the legends are not Latin and that the coins are from or reference Semitic people. I'm reminded of this thread here, where we had someone with a similar dilusion who was similarly seemed to be unable to process information that went against what he believed to be true. It's just more confusing this time due to the language barriers, but you'll find the same sorts of leaps in logic and nonsensical conclusions in that thread as you find with this guy.
     
  21. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Gao, yes I've been thinking of that thread too.
     
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