Is this 1879 Carson city morgan just cleaned or counterfeit?

Edit sorry meant 1891 Morgan CC
, I came across this coin and became suspicious of it, it looks like its cleaned, but also the toning appears to have that painted look. Cant tell if its pitted or a cleaning to the surface.
Also a 1 day auction has some alarm bells raised as well.

So what do we think cleaning or counterfeit?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324673911276?hash=item4b9812b9ec:g:iOQAAOSwvVpgxLvr

 

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1 i wouldn't buy it raw and 2 i would think the seller is hiding something with those terrible pictures so fake to me.

 

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The mintmark doesn't look right to me. What do you think, John aka @messydesk ?

 

Too many fish in the sea. I'd pass.

 

It's gone. I guess somebody read "free shipping in mainland China" and couldn't resist :-D

 

Cha-chink.....

 

Looks like it went poof.

 

I was able to retrieve the obverse image.

 

It looks bad. It has that "Chinese shoe polish toning" look.

 

Honestly and with respect to all, this fake/phony stuff at every turn is getting ridiculous. Didn't see the reverse but held the obverse against one from my collection (that I know is genuine) and, apart from any cleaning, shoe polish, etc, it looks real/legit to me...and I have a pretty good "details" eye (for my age).

 

It does appear to have been cleaned but looks real to me also. Without the reverse it's hard to conclude. For this simple reason (no reverse) I'd stay away from it. Interesting post, thank you.

 

Obvious fake.

 

The stars on the obverse are horrible and not sharp at all. Dead giveaway. Very mushy.

 

Very interesting coin. For that date position it needs to be the VAM 7 far date, Reverse Spitting Eagle. The 9 appears to be too open to be correct but that could be the picture. The reverse would tell the facts if it is the spitting eagle and the spitting is in the correct position. Currently I have twelve Morgan Dollar sets and the posters coin does not match my spitting Eagle and date font. I always go to VamWorld.com to make diagnostic comparisons. And we can still be wrong. Open 9, closed 9. Suspicious yes. I wouldn't spend my money on it.

 

PASS

 

Gees. I know nothing. But don’t like it’s looks

 

The con has been taken down.

(Lol, I mistyped "coin" but decided to leave it as is ;-)