Need the Investigative Analysis of the Whole CT Forum

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by BNB Analytics, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. BNB Analytics

    BNB Analytics New Member

    What on god's green earth is this on the front of my 3 legger??!?!?!?!?!?!?!


    Look careeeffulllyy....

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    Finger rub? Die erosion?
    Worth sending to NCS?

    I can always try to take better pictures too.

    bnb
     
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  3. TheBigH

    TheBigH Senior Member

    If you mean the bumpy areas all over the surface, I think die erosion is a safe bet.
     
  4. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I would just leave it like it is.... It's in a holder already right?? I suspect the graders think whatever it is to be from the mint, or light wear.... or it wouldn't have holdered. I don't see what sending it to NGS gains you.
     
  5. BNB Analytics

    BNB Analytics New Member

    Yes it is, AU58 NGC :)
    I would call them scan-lines(like on a t.v) but I know I'll get whacked for that, so is die erosion fair? We should take a poll. Post your answers on what this might be here.

    And I realize what a pain in the butt it is to send anything to NCS or NGC without an account so I probably won't do it , but that still doesn't take away from the fact that I don't like these distractions on my otherwise beautiful coin!!!

    bnb
     
  6. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter


    Welp,

    Unfortuneately this is how the coin looked directly from the mint... just about any 3 legger your going to see exhibits at least some of this... depending on die state... this is very common for this coin... and in some places it is even diagnostic to tell if the coin is genuine. Most people are happy to see this ;)
     
  7. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    NO offense intended, but from the heritage pictures you should have been able to see these lines. To me they do not detract from the coin nor do they draw my attention when looking at the coin. Again no offense, but if they bother you star looking for one where there are not any lines to distract your admiration of the coin.
     
  8. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I hear cognitive dissonance (buyer's remorse) setting in already...

    That is die erosion and is typical of this particular error. The dies were old when the leg was polished off and subsequent coins made from the die show the erosion. Dutchman is exactly right, if a 3-leg doesn't show any die erosion, I would suspect it.
     
  9. BNB Analytics

    BNB Analytics New Member

    No no no, I'm not having a big case of B.R, it's only minor but I love the coin, I just expected to fall off my seat in amazement on how rare of a color tone the coin had because I expected it to look very much like the HA pics.

    With this said, L.D's points of die erosion sound solid in my mind and they don't bother me as much now.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ya know, usually I see things on coins that nobody, or almost nobody, else sees. But on this one I must be going blind because I don't see it.

    Yeah, I see the roughness on the face. That comes from die erosion sometimes, sometimes from a rusty die. But from what I gather that's not what everybody is looking at.

    So BNB - do me a favor please, use MS Paint and put an arrow or arrows on the coin pointing to exactly what it is that you are talking about.
     
  11. BNB Analytics

    BNB Analytics New Member

    Ok Doug, updated. I could always try to take better pics later of it.
     
  12. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Minting smudge or bag mark, I'd leave that babe alone. Top notch, BNB!! You didn't fall off your seat b/c you're getting older. Welcome to my world. :D
     
  13. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I agree. Like any variety that was made with an old die...these things are normal. It doesn't distract me, but you must decide if you can live with it. If not, look for another that is a better example and pick it up and sell the one you have. I don't think anything is wrong with the coin and I wouldn't send it to NCS.
     
  14. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Comparing the photo with my 3-legged buffs, I see the mark BNB outlined behind the head is normal for them, some less apparent , some more, so die erosion would be the best bet. The horizontal marks on the face are not apparent on mine, so either it is a later die damage or result of wear would be hard to distinguish as it is AU. It is not distracting and should not affect any resale IMO.

    Jim
     
  15. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    It looks like someone drew on the poor indian's face. :)
     
  16. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    p.s. die erosion. nothing to fret over, IMO.
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Well I see plenty of die erosion but not in the areas where his arrows are pointed. The only thing I see there look like they might be surface streaks from the original planchet or toning streaks from the stretching of non-homogeneous areas in the ingots. In short I think it is perfectly normal.
     
  18. Breakdown

    Breakdown Member

    I agree. As was said elsewhere, there is (and should be) die erosion all over the obverse, but those arrows are pointing at something else. Maybe toning that is not showing up well in the photos?
     
  19. kaparthy

    kaparthy Supporter! Supporter

    Context is everything.

    There is a reason why pulling the fire alarm when there is no fire is a crime in most cities.

    You called on "the investigative analysis of the whole CoinTalk forum" over a Buffalo Nickel error? Not just over the error itself but over some rough spots on it??

    I mean, OK, this might be a $1000 coin, but, face it, it has no historicity. I mean, if the thing was not damaged at the Mint -- which is what we are talking about here, Mint damage -- just what would this coin be, but another of OVER 17 MILLION 1937-D 5-cent coins, but a year and mint within a population of about ONE BILLION 1917-1938.

    Dude, I hate to break it to you, but this is not a rare coin.
     
  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I will take all the "mint damaged" coins you would like to get rid of. Do you have any 1922 Lincolns? How about a 1958 doubled die?
     
  21. BNB Analytics

    BNB Analytics New Member

    What pipe are you smoking tonight? Where do I imply anywhere in this thread that this is a rare coin? Weird how people loveee to argue!
     
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