Believe it or not, this coin is eerily attractive. It really is a shame, the coin has excellent detail remaining. :smile
Tough call - would have to see it in hand. The luster may be there under that toning, and with AU details it should certainly have luster. Whether it does or not would be the determining factor.
What characteristics do you look for to spot luster under toning? Edit: I like the look of the coin a lot.
To be quite honest you look for the same things you look for on an untoned coin. It's just a lot more difficult to see for those who don't know how to recognize it. Even under toning luster still has a shimmer, an effect on the light as it plays off the surface of the coin. I guess a large part of the problem is that a lot of people don't really know how to recognize mint luster to begin with. That's why so many can be fooled by a whizzed coin, or a polished coin. To them - shiny equals luster. To others who do know what mint luster looks like on an untoned coin, they think that a toned coin has no luster because the light is not refracted in a bright cartwheel like it is on an untoned coin. So they think the coin doesn't have luster anymore. The Proof of the error in this line of thinking is that you can take a heavily toned coin that 99 out of 100 people would say has no luster - dip it and the coin is once again lustrous. Well luster cannot be restored. Once gone it is gone forever and nothing you can do will ever bring back. So the dipping does not restore the luster, it merely it makes it easier for an untrained eye to see it again. Now I know none of this really answers your question. But that's because I know of no way to put into words what I could show you in a New York second were I standing beside you looking at a coin in person. It takes experience is the best thing I can say.
I'm not sure, that's why I asked the question. The point being virtually all silver will eventually turn black, properly or improperly stored. Said slightly differently, couldn't the coin be properly stored and still tone this color? The term "improperly stored" just seemed a bit out of place. But then again, perhaps I'm just being a bit anal on terminology -- certainly wouldn't be the first time.
terrible,just terrible,But being the nice guy I am I'll take it off your hands and won't even charge ya,lol
that coin has a great look IMO. I would be happy to have it in my collection should I have the chance to run across one that nice.
That's a good answer and about what I expected. Recognizing luster on a toned coin is one of those things I'll put on my New Year's resolution list for 2010.
This coin has XF/AU details and was pulled out of circulation very early in it's life as a coin. I can only assume that this was done intentionally as a collectible or by accident it was lost for many years. Either way, the resultant storage conditions were such that the coin was subjected to an environment that caused it to tone completely black. I consider that improper storage. However, since I have no idea what the storage conditions of this coin were for the last 107 years, the term "improper storage" can only be loosely applied.
This is the kind of coin I'd love to have in my collection. I like the ones with unusual toning or patina that makes it stand apart from other coins. It adds character. These, I find, get the oooh's and ahhh's from non-collectors when going through my albums even though they may not be in mint condition. This particular one (the op's) is outstanding in my book!
It occurs to me that for almost two years I have been posting beautiful rainbow toned coins on this forum and getting very mixed reactions. I then post a POS black Barber Quarter in XF and at least 5 people post that they love it and wish they owned it. I am truly astounded. BTW, the coin has been cleaned on the obverse. Someone tried to get the black off an ended up giving the coin a polished appearance.