An Improperly Stored Barber Quarter

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Lehigh96, Dec 20, 2009.

  1. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Believe it or not, this coin is eerily attractive. It really is a shame, the coin has excellent detail remaining.

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  3. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    think that was storage or improper "dipping" and re-toning?
     
  4. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    I agree. That coin is has a nice toning even though it looks dipped with no luster.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Tough call - would have to see it in hand. The luster may be there under that toning, and with AU details it should certainly have luster. Whether it does or not would be the determining factor.
     
  6. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    coin looks great to me.
     
  7. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    What characteristics do you look for to spot luster under toning?

    Edit: I like the look of the coin a lot.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To be quite honest you look for the same things you look for on an untoned coin. It's just a lot more difficult to see for those who don't know how to recognize it.

    Even under toning luster still has a shimmer, an effect on the light as it plays off the surface of the coin. I guess a large part of the problem is that a lot of people don't really know how to recognize mint luster to begin with. That's why so many can be fooled by a whizzed coin, or a polished coin. To them - shiny equals luster.

    To others who do know what mint luster looks like on an untoned coin, they think that a toned coin has no luster because the light is not refracted in a bright cartwheel like it is on an untoned coin. So they think the coin doesn't have luster anymore.

    The Proof of the error in this line of thinking is that you can take a heavily toned coin that 99 out of 100 people would say has no luster - dip it and the coin is once again lustrous.

    Well luster cannot be restored. Once gone it is gone forever and nothing you can do will ever bring back. So the dipping does not restore the luster, it merely it makes it easier for an untrained eye to see it again.

    Now I know none of this really answers your question. But that's because I know of no way to put into words what I could show you in a New York second were I standing beside you looking at a coin in person.

    It takes experience is the best thing I can say.
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Improperly stored, or just natural toning/tarnish on sliver?
     
  10. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    ME TOOOO. Of course would look a lot better in my collection.
     
  11. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    What is the difference?
     
  12. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I'm not sure, that's why I asked the question. :)

    The point being virtually all silver will eventually turn black, properly or improperly stored.

    Said slightly differently, couldn't the coin be properly stored and still tone this color?

    The term "improperly stored" just seemed a bit out of place. But then again, perhaps I'm just being a bit anal on terminology -- certainly wouldn't be the first time. ;)
     
  13. playin4funami

    playin4funami Junior Member

    terrible,just terrible,But being the nice guy I am I'll take it off your hands and won't even charge ya,lol
     
  14. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    that coin has a great look IMO. I would be happy to have it in my collection should I have the chance to run across one that nice.
     
  15. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Oh the humanity!
     
  16. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    That's a good answer and about what I expected. Recognizing luster on a toned coin is one of those things I'll put on my New Year's resolution list for 2010.
     
  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    This coin has XF/AU details and was pulled out of circulation very early in it's life as a coin. I can only assume that this was done intentionally as a collectible or by accident it was lost for many years. Either way, the resultant storage conditions were such that the coin was subjected to an environment that caused it to tone completely black. I consider that improper storage.

    However, since I have no idea what the storage conditions of this coin were for the last 107 years, the term "improper storage" can only be loosely applied.;)
     
  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Considering that you are in PA, I find this very hard to believe or accept.

    And it is a NY minute.
     
  19. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    This is the kind of coin I'd love to have in my collection. I like the ones with unusual toning or patina that makes it stand apart from other coins. It adds character. These, I find, get the oooh's and ahhh's from non-collectors when going through my albums even though they may not be in mint condition.

    This particular one (the op's) is outstanding in my book!
     
  20. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    It occurs to me that for almost two years I have been posting beautiful rainbow toned coins on this forum and getting very mixed reactions. I then post a POS black Barber Quarter in XF and at least 5 people post that they love it and wish they owned it. I am truly astounded.

    BTW, the coin has been cleaned on the obverse. Someone tried to get the black off an ended up giving the coin a polished appearance.
     
  21. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector


    Just for the record..... I'd love to own any of your rainbow-toned coins as well:smile
     
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