Unknown Byzantine or crusader coin overstruck on follis of Baldwin II of Edessa

I posted this coin on another coin forum about two years ago , but I never got any response. So I will try my luck here .
This is a very interesting coin overstruck on follis of Baldwin II ,Count of Edessa CCS 11.


Bust of the Virgin Orans/Christ enthroned.

3.5 gr.

The only match that’s coming to mind is SBCV 2590 .


But there is a slight difference - on SBCV 2590 the Christogram IC on the left side of Jesus' head and on the left side of the throne on my coin.

 

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Very impressive graphics, @VD76. Wish you the best of luck. To wallow in the obvious (never stopped me before), there have Got to be Byzantine prototypes in the right denomination. ...Wildwinds (know you've been there) notwithstanding.
(Wave) Help 'im Out!
...Much, much more anecdotally, there have been some recent auctions (starting with Savoca, if memory serves) that have been listing early, unattributed folles, both of Antioch and Edessa. Interesting, but scary to bid on, if you're like me, and don't know any more than they do.

 

I’m obsessed with these kinds of coins. I have a several of them . But in the last six months, it seems that they’re high in demand and prices go way up .

 

...Well, Dang, just, Carry on / 'as you were.' You're going to be better acquainted with all the Metcalf and Malloy I could cite, never mind how many of the early examples are overstruck on Byzantine ones.
...Nope, just, Best of Luck.

 

But this is the first time I’ve seen that Byzantine??? overstruck on crusader coin .

 

Extremely interesting, but Sear 2590 is well into the 14th century, in this case supposedly overstruck on ca. 1110 for Baldwin II. And a big difference in flan thickness and weight. Not to mention Sear 2590 is very rare. If no other Baldwin II later issue fits, could it perhaps be a Joscelin issue?

 

Perhaps it is a CCS type 14 overstruck on a type 11. The rev is so garbled that it could be anything, but the obverse seems clear. You have the "B / A / Δ / N" from the reverse of type 11 under the Virgin Orans. Perhaps with the coin in hand you can find something of the X - B / B - K and large plain cross with wedges in angles set on steps from CCS type 14 on the rev.

 

No . This is not CCS 14 . There are no X - B / B - K . By the way , I think that CCS 2
does not exist . I believe that Porteous wrongly identified Virgin Orans as the bust of Christ because there are just a few very worn examples that have been known . Later when more coins in better condition been found it became obvious that on the obverse is Virgin Orans . And Malloy put in his book as new type CCS 14 .
Here is my example.


Back to the coin in question . I did find another two examples , but still don’t know what it is

This is what I won last week ( I paid to much )

22mm / 4 gr



And another example ( not my)

20mm / 3.35 gr


Third example overstruck on follis of Baldwin II CCS 11 ( my coin )
3.5 gr

 

Maybe. Or it could also be Alexius unknown tetarteron . I’m waiting for the coin to arrive to see if I can find any traces from the previous coin . I also found a fourth example in pretty good condition, I will post it some time later .

 

23 mm / 4.1 gr.

 

3.27 grams

 

Is it possible that the original coin was an early Islamic fals, like this one?



They had all kinds of weird gibberish inscriptions, and were usually around 20-22mm and 3.5-5 grams.