Silly for sakkos!/Feeling cute with my new sakkos. Might delete;)/ How is she in the sakkos

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Just recieved this beauty yesterday and am very pleased. Not only with the lightening quick shipping but also with her...
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    There's something about a lady wearing her sakkos. I'm already a sucker for beautiful women on an ancient coin. But I love a lady who can accessorize. It's just such a cool earthy look.
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    Here's the latest and greatest:
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    THESSALY, Phalanna . Circa 400-344 BC. Æ 22mm (8.33 gm). Young male head right / FALANNAIWN, head of the nymph Phalanna right wearing earring and necklace, hair bound in a sakkos; monogram behind. SNG Copenhagen 203 var. VF

    And some friends:
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    PAPHLAGONIA, Sinope. Circa 410-350 BC. AR Drachm (19.9 mm, 5.4 g, 6h). Age–, magistrate. Head of nymph left, hair in sakkos / Sea eagle standing left, wings spread, on dolphin left; O below eagle’s wings. Slight test cut. You barely notice it.
    Lydia Numismatics, Jan

    A recent that had her day in the sun: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/i-...one-with-your-hair-one-for-the-ladies.380478/
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    Sicily, HimeraSICILY, Himera. Circa 415-409 BC. Æ Hemilitron (16mm, 3.3 g, 6h). Head of nymph left, hair bound in ampyx and sphendone; six pellets (mark of value) before / Six pellets (mark of value) within wreath. Kraay, Bronze , group b, 3; CNS 35; SNG ANS 186. (c. 415-409 BC), cast Æ Hemilitron, head of nymph left, wearing ampyx and sphendone, rev. six pellets in wreath (Calciati I, pp. 43, no. 35; SNG ANS 186), Off center, obverse with excellent detail.
    Purchased from Variana Museum May 2021

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    Mysia, Kyzikos. 3rd century BC. AE (11mm, 1.50g). Head of Kore Soteira right, hair bound in sakkos / Tripod on tunny right; monogram to lower right. Von Fritze III 4; SNG BN 429–33 var. (monogram). Former Kairos Numismatik



    I'd love to see more of these. Please, post em if you got em!
     
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  3. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    This is a coin where the attribution is not 100% clear.
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    Corinthia. Corinth circa 345-307 BC. (?)
    Drachm
    13 mm, 1,87 g
    Pegasos flying left, wings curled, Koppa below. / Head of Aphrodite left, hair in a sakkos. ΠA monogram behind head. BCD Corinth 162; SNG Fitzwilliam 3455-3456; SNG Cop. 136.
     
  4. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Here is my mystery Sakkos:

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    Euboea, Chalkis (?), 1.28g, AE11
    Obv: Female head wearing triangular earring right
    Rev: Cross or Χ (Chi) upon circular shield
    Ref: Pozzi 3359ter, otherwise perhaps unpublished
    ex CNG, Triton VI, January 2003, lot 1563 (part of; David Freedman collection)
    Described as 'Uncertain, possibly Selge'.

    There is no writing on this coin unless the shield symbol is a Chi. There was an example in the Pozzi collection. I believe the attribution to "Chalkis" rests entirely on the shield symbol and Chalkis being the largest city that begins with "Ch".

    It's tiny. Tiny AE coins are mostly from Asia Minor. Such a small coin seems difficult to use. Books on Greek coins explain the need for small silver coins, but no one talks about tiny bronzes.
     
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  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Sakkos

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    Mysia, Kyzikos
    Æ12 1.2g, 6h; c. 400 BC - 3rd century BC.
    Obv.: Head of Kore Soteira right, hair bound in sakkos.
    Rev.: KY - ZIH; Tripod; above, crown; below, tunny fish.
    SNG France 430; BMC 141-3. EDIT add: Sear Greek 3862
    Ex: @John Anthony
     
  6. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

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    PAPHLAGONIA, Sinope. Circa 410-350 BC. Artistic dies. AR Drachm (5.71 gm, 6h, 19mm). XA_, magistrate. Obv: Head of nymph left, wearing single-pendant earring, hair in sakkos, with cascading locks. Rev: Sea eagle on dolphin left; XA to upper right. Letters under dolphin: (ΣΙ)ΝΩ. Α small object below the bust: a basket? After an extensive document and web search, this coin has an apparently unique and lovely depiction of the nymph for Sinope. Anyone have anything similar?
     
  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Very informative and interesting write-up, @Ryro! Alas, I have no coins depicting a woman wearing the sakkos. :(

    I really enjoy those videos by hairstyle historian Janet Stephens. She's an adept weaver, too, and not just a skilled ornatrix!
     
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  8. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    PeteB wrote ""Anyone have anything similar?""

    from Istros:

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  9. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I don't believe I have any ancient coins showing a woman wearing a sakkos or sphendone, but I do have this, depicting two typical Apulian "Ladies of Fashion," one on each side:

    South Italy, Apulian red-figure stemless cup with two handles; on either side of body, female head (Lady of Fashion), wearing sakkos [cloth hair covering], with large flower, stephane, earrings, necklace; ca. 350-325 BCE. 2 ½” (64 mm.) H x 3 ¾” (95 mm.) D x 5 ¾” (146 mm) W. Purchased 3/6/1993, Royal Athena Galleries, NYC.

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  10. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    That's a wonderful piece of red figure pottery, Donna! Wow!

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    Mysia, Kyzikos, AE18, 4th–3rd c. BC. Obv: head of Kore soteira wearing sakkos and earring r. Rev: K-Y/Z-I; tripod with three handles over tunny fish; monogram (AE) and control mark in fields. 18.5mm, 5.55g. Ref: see BMC 136–140 (different control marks); von Fritze 1917, no. 6.

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    Thessaly, Phalanna, AE17, ca. 400–344 BC. Obv: Head of Ares r. Rev: ΦΑΛΑΝΝΑΙΩΝ; head of nymph (Phalanna?) r., with hair in sakkos. 17mm, 5.15g. Ref: SNG Copenhagen 205; BMC 4–7.
     
  11. Silphium Addict

    Silphium Addict Well-Known Member

    Whenever I think of saccos, Syracuse tetradrachms come to mind. But I have one from Motya that was copied from a Syracuse coin. jt324.jpg

    Motya AR tetradrachm 410-397 BC 17.17 gm
    O: female head left wearing saccos and triple-pendant earring; 4 dolphins around
    R: crab
    CPS I 47 (O6/R9)
     
  12. Di Nomos

    Di Nomos Well-Known Member

    I have a couple. First an archaic drachm from Knidos c. 500 BC and secondly a tetradrachm from Syracuse c. 430 BC.

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  13. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    I've just recently received two more strange sakkos. The first, from Savoca, with a cone at the end is pretty rare. Rather than start a new thread I figured I'd add them to this one in hopes of seeing a few more CT sakkos:
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    Thessaly, Phalanna Æ Trichalkon. Late 4th to early 3rd centuries BC. Youthful male head to right / Head of nymph to right, hair bound with ornate sakkos; A behind neck, ΦΑΛΑΝΝ[ΑΙΩΝ] around. Rogers 452; BCD Thessaly II 579; HGC 4, 175. 4.42g, 15mm, 12h.
    Good Very Fine. Purchased from Savoca July 2021

    This second is a AMCC3 win with a little string dangling from her sakkos, presumably to tighten up or let down her hair:
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    THESSALY, Phalanna, late 4th c. BCE, AE Dichalkon. 6.20g, 17-20mm.
    Obv: Head of Ares right .
    Rev: ΦΑΛΑΝΝΑΙΩΝ, head of nymph right, with hair in sakkos.
    Sear 2180
    Interesting flan flaw at 6 o’clock. Purchased from AMCC3 July 2021
     
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  14. Broucheion

    Broucheion Well-Known Member

    Hi All,

    Not endorsing any products but I find the modern versions are available. Just search for ‘hair net Rasta’ or similar.

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  15. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    I scored another sakkos wearing beauty that I figured was worth sharing, but not making its own thread over:
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  16. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Interesting type, Ryro. Thanks for sharing!

    Messed up Saccos:
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  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    A few years back I met a dealer at NYINC that had a bag of those Phalanna bronzes from a recent hoard find - maybe a hundred. Most were very worn, and I only ended up buying three of them in comparable condition to the OP coin. Good find - those coins did a lot of work.
     
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  18. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    That's a stunner:artist::singing:. Do you have the ID?
     
  19. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

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    Sicily, Syracuse, Second Democracy (466-405 BC). Tetradrachm, struck circa 450-439 BC.

    Obverse: Male charioteer, wearing a long chiton and holding a goad in his right hand and the reins in both, driving a walking quadriga to right; above, Nike flying left to crown the charioteer.
    Reverse: ΣVΡΑΚΟΣΙΟΝ. Head of Arethusa right, with hair in sakkos; four dolphins around.

    Reference: Boehringer 712 (V347/R481).

    Condition: Fine/Very Good. Struck from a very worn obverse die, but with a nice reverse.

    Weight: 16.67g Diameter: 24 mm.

    Thanks! Yes, these coins actually look good even in Fine. Hope to upgrade one day though.
     
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  20. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    This is my only coin depicting a sakkos, from Syracuse, Second Democracy, 465-405 BC:

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  21. Curtis

    Curtis Well-Known Member

    One thing I love about those Phalanna issues is all the variety of Sakkos! (Sakkoses? Sakkosi? Sakki?) And to think, for just a moment, I wondered if I'd made a mistake by buying like 40 of these at once!

    I love how they're a bit different on almost every die. It probably helped that this series carried on for a century or more (but probably not two, based on BCD Thessaly catalogs), so I suppose different styles came in and out of fashion, and were reflected on new coins.

    I'll limit myself to 8 of my favorite sakkos below:

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