New Mule Error, and it is a Beauty!

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by JCro57, May 1, 2021.

  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    How many Sac/quarter mules were found?
    I believe there were only two.
    I don't see the SS coming after the coin at anytime. Even though this was most likely employee assisted. It is not impossible for a die to not be changed.
     
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  3. Sidney Osborne

    Sidney Osborne Well-Known Member

    Happens all the time with couples and socks.....
     
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I would be super surprised if the Secret Service bothered with this. Yes, it's technically their business, but no, they don't care. It seems like they're only after large-volume operations.
     
  5. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    This is something that can happen by mistake if the dies involved mount in the press the same way. With a cent and dime being close in size the dies could fit in the press the same way. It could be by accident that the wrong die was installed. It could be the person setting up the press thought they changed out both dies but, left the wrong die in the press. Or it could have been intentional. If it was done by mistake a lot of coins could be produced before being caught. However, it could have been caught and the employee would then have the coins destroyed but may have missed a few and one or a few got out. I've been in the production area in the Philadelphia mint and the coining presses can pump out a lot of coins fast. So a few thousand could have been made before being caught. It's also possible that the it was caught right away and the coin was set aside and somehow got out. Although possible I doubt some employee stuck it in their shoe and just walked out with it. Security is very high at the mint and everyone has to go though metal detectors when leaving the production area.

    However, there was an employee that was arrested for sneaking out error coins he was making and selling in the Philadelphia area. I think it was around the same time as the date on the coin. That employee did go to jail and all the coins were taken by the secret service. The employee figured out how to make clumps of penny's and sneak them out the mint. This could be some of his work.
     
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  6. Browns Fan

    Browns Fan Active Member

    I wasn't aware Lincoln's beard was ever struck that well.
     
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  7. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Not bad for a face value of 11 cents...
     
  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It takes more than a single coin to get the SS involved. They’re going to look into the history as well. This piece probably had help but they can’t prove that. Neither can they dispute that it happened naturally.

    The 1933 $20 gold coins that they collected and kept are completely different.
     
  9. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    But then again why go through the effort of striking just one? And as your theory would presume a conspiracy at the Mint, who gets to have it?

    Somebody look up when this coin went into his slab. Is there a way to do that?
     
  10. Chris Winkler

    Chris Winkler Well-Known Member

  11. montynj3417

    montynj3417 Active Member

    What does the edge look like?
     
  12. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Are you referring to the Sacagawea/state quarter mule? If yes, there are currently 19, according to Fred's website.
    https://www.fredweinberg.com/error-news/
     
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  13. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    wow. Gotta love this one.

    It seems obvious but a little critical thinking leads me to think this was created on purpose.
    -A Lincoln cent collar die was the third die.
    -If one die was left in the press by accident after being used, it should show evidence of being a used die. I don't see any die deterioration, die wear, or die flow lines on either face of the mule.
    -Extra pressure may have been applied to get the devices filled with the loose-fitting dime reverse collar. My reasoning for this is the effects we often see to details opposite a cud.

    Here's a question:
    Do you think it might possible for the details to strike up evenly if the dies were well centered, which these appear to be, without increasing the striking pressure?
     
  14. Kurisu

    Kurisu Well-Known Member

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  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Dang, I didn't even think there was that many. But, it does go to show that these could be an accident, and not just mischief.
     
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