Medieval Monday!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by FitzNigel, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. TTerrier

    TTerrier Well-Known Member

    I haven't contributed anything to this thread in a while but here is a short-cross penny of King John.

    27mm, 1.42gm, Class VIa2, London mint, moneyer Walter, North 974/2

    John was the youngest son of Henry II and is most known today as the villain (along with the Sherriff of Nottingham) of the Robin Hood tales.

    He was actually the signer of the Magna Carta in 1215 (although he died a year later), tried to steal the kingship from his elder brother Richard Lionheart while he was away at the Crusades and reportedly started the formal "Maundy money" tradition of the sovereigns - the giving of alms to the poor whether it be in kind or in cash on the Thursday before Good Friday.

    I am now on the lookout for a decent Richard and Henry II but the quality of these is generally poor. While Richard's name does not appear on British pennies (as is the case for John) I really want to get a British coin and not a French one (where his name does appear).

    Going back even further most of Stephen's coins are almost unrecognizable.

    John obverse.jpg John reverse.jpg
     
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  3. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I forgot it was Monday! Since we’re back on the English coins, here’s my Henry II:
    Med-09a-Eng-1180-Henry II-D-1b-London-Raul-963.jpg England
    Henry II, r. 1154-1189 (1180-1189)
    London Mint, AR Class 1b Short Cross Penny, 20.12mm x 1.33 grams
    Obv.: hЄNRICVS●R ЄX, bust facing with two curls left and five right, crowned with 5 pearls in crown, with sceptre
    Rev.: +RAVL●ON●LVNDЄ, Short cross voided with quatrefoil in each angle
    Ref.: North 963, SCBC 1344, De Wit 3192
     
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  4. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    To second @FitzNigel, Yipe, it's Monday! Just lately, I found pics of most of my Almoravid qirats (Sp. quirates), hiding in plain sight in a 287-page document. ...Which is likely to be unfinished when I'm not.
    ALMORAVIDS, ALI IBN YUSUF, WITH HEIR SIR, OBV..jpg ALMORAVIDS, ALI  IBN YUSUF, WITH HEIR SIR, REV..jpg
    'Ali bin Yusuf, Murabitid (/Almoravid) Amir A. H. 500-537 (1106-1142 A. C. E.). AR qirat, issued (in part) in the name of his heir (and eventual successor), Tashufin, hence A. H. 533-537 /c. 1139-1142 A. C. E. No mint; struck either in el-Andalus or North Africa.
    Here are the legends, from the website for the Maskukat Collection (http://islamiccoins.ancients.info/spain/almoravid.htm).
    الوسط Central Legend
    الوجه
    Obv.
    لا اله الا الله
    محمد رسول الله
    الامير تا
    شفين

    There is no deity except God
    Muhammad is the messenger of God
    The Commander Ta
    shfin
    الخلف
    Rev.
    امير
    المسلمين
    و ناصر الدين
    علي بن يوسف

    Commander
    of the Muslims
    and conqueror in the name of the faith
    'Ali bin Yusuf
    Album (2nd ed., 1998) 467; 466 for the chronology. There's also the website for the Tonegawa collection for Andalusian coins: http://www.andalustonegawa.50g.com/almoravids_silver.htm
    Between them, they cite Hazard 1002 and Vives 1827, neither of which I've ever seen.
     
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  5. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

  6. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @dltsrq, Please ...no, back up and say, Please receive my most cordial thanks. This is going directly to the thumb drive that has half my life on it.
    ...According to my spotty familiarity with Zeno --no, the website, not the philosopher-- where Islamic coins are concerned (...mostly Andalusian), people don't always cite references. In light of your familiarity with the site (...and the series --thank you, plural; never mind the language), anything you'd care to say in Zeno's defense would be cordially welcome.
     
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  7. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    I think Zeno is an amazing resource. I use it almost every day. Not everyone who contributes an image has the knowledge or resources to cite a reference. Moderators and other experts sometimes add this information if the original post is lacking. The Zeno number itself is commonly cited by academics, dealers and others.
     
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  8. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Wow. Academics ...just cite the website. No, I believe you, but that's kind of gestalt all by itself. --Very enlightening! Many thanks.
     
  9. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Nearly missed it! But here’s a post for Monday. I just got a new Follis from Antioch in the mail today - I don’t have a photo of it yet, but here is my first Follis from Antioch:
    Med-16-CrAnt-1101-Tancred-Fol-2-4079.jpg Crusader - Antioch
    Tancred, Regent, r. 1101-1103, 1104-1112
    Type 2 AE Follis, 20.3 mm x 3.3 grams
    Obv.: Bust of Tancred facing, wearing turban, holding sword
    Rev.: Cross pommetée, fleuronnée at base; IC XC NI KA in quarters
    Ref.: Malloy Antioch 4a, De Wit 4079
     
  10. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Congrats on the very attractive follis of Tancred @FitzNigel it is a lovely coin. I have always liked the bust of him on the those coins

    I too received a coin in the mail today and will post it. My coin is a Voided Long Cross penny minted under Henry III at the Exeter mint.
    vlcexeter.jpg
    It is my first VLC penny from Exeter which puts me one coin closer to completing what I call my "4 Type 8 Mint" collection. Of the dozens of mints that operated from the reign of Henry II thru Edward I only 8 minted all 4 of the coin types that were minted over that period. The types are Tealby, Short Cross, Voided Long Cross, and Long Cross and the mints are London, Canterbury, Durham, Bury St. Edmonds, Chester, Exeter, York, and Lincoln.
     
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  11. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Sorry to have missed this week. @FitzNigel, to second @TheRed, that's a brilliant example of that issue of Tancred; orders of magnitude better than mine. The chain mail is probably the best I've ever seen.
    @TheRed, 'Now it can be told!' Your underlying strategy is very cool. Solid example, needless to say.
     
  12. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Since @+VGO.DVCKS posted this awesome thread on Kilwa Coins, I’ll post my other Kilwa coin for Medieval Monday!

    Med-19b-Kil-1310-Hasan Sulayman-Fal-621.jpg East Africa - Kilwa Sultanate
    al-Ḥasan b. Sulaymān, r. 1320-1333
    Kisiwani mint, AE Fals, 22.6 mm x 1.7 grams
    Obv.: احسن بن / سليمان / عزذصز (al-Hasan ibn / Sulaiman / yathiku (May his victory be glorious!)). Inscription in three lines, inside solid and beaded circle
    Rev.: يتق / بالواحل / النان (trusts / in the One (God) / the Bountiful). Inscription in three lines, inside solid and beaded circle
    Ref.: SICA 10, #621, Freeman-Grenville 1954, pg. 223 no. xiv, Walker obv: XVII, Rev.: XXIII, Album 1183, Zeno 88537
    Note: Found on Kilwa island in 1982
     
  13. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Tres cool, @FitzNigel. And many thanks for your variously kind and otherwise resonant vote of confidence about the thread. I still need to learn A Whole Lot more about Kilwa; both the coins and the history.
    Might never have posted this one; someone else already posted at least one with a better flan. It's my extant example of the immobilized denaros of Genoa (IANVA), issued in the name of Conrad III (Staufen emperor, 1138-1152) and continued into the earlier 14th century. The clipping is relatively pronounced, but the strike and wear are as good as the one I got as a teenager, when they were selling these like bubblegum.
    COINS, ITALY, GENOA, DENARO.JPG
     
  14. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...here's one for the Protestants...1632 1/24th thaler of Gustavus Adolfus ll, King of Sweden(amongst other places) city of Riga(Swedish Livonia) 1621-1632 18mm, .84gms IMG_0375.JPG IMG_0374.JPG
     
  15. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Cool coin, @ominus1.
    ...Um, can you be a Protestant (for lack of any one communion that fits any better), and still cordially detest the likes of Gustavus Adolphus?
    You can leave that at the rhetorical level....
     
  16. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    A heavily worn but still hefty Champagne fairs monies from Provins in the 1150s and 60s:

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    AR20mm 1.20g ex-CGB E-Auction 183 November 2016
     
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  17. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...on the internet, you can be purdy much whatever ya want :)
     
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  18. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Sorry for posting on Tuesday, I was here on Monday but wasn't able to post before we the wife distracted me with some fresh cookies.


    I'm don't really know much about these coins. The best looking ones and the worst looking ones don't seem to look much better or worse than mine.

    100_8015.JPG

    Republic of Venice, Antonio Venier (1382-1400 AD), AR 1 Tornesello. 17 mm, 0.7 g.
    O : Cross in inner circle, " +ANTO' VENERIO DVX"
    R: Winged lion of St. Mark with nimbus to the left, holding book of Gospels with both front paws all in inner circle, " VEXILIFER VENETIA"
     
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  19. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    It's monday, and I have a sceatta to share:
    Series H.jpg
    EARLY MEDIEVAL, Anonymous. Denomination: AR Sceatta (Series H), minted: Hamwic (Southampton); 720-745
    Obv: facing ‘Wodan’ head with pellets below within beaded inner border, seven roundels surrounding with pellets between
    Rev: long legged bird walking right, pellet cross below neck and pellet in annulet above, pellet between leg, with pellet details surroundin
    Weight: 0.73g; Ø:12.1mm. Catalogue: Abramson 4.48. Provenance: Found near Thorn (Limburg)
    Delamination on the reverse, and overall condition is rather poor. However, it’s somewhat scarce and I was able to buy it cheap.
     
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  20. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Mullet left of crown and it looks like annulet to the right, but can't tell if it's broken or full. So Henry V type C or D from York.
     
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  21. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    And while we are on Henry V, a type C halfpenny
    upload_2021-6-7_8-39-10.jpeg
     
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