1956 Proof Set in a Box

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  1. waterfallice

    waterfallice Member

    So I have a 1954 and 1955 Proof Set in a Box - both unopened. What do y'all say, do I open them or keep them sealed? I paid between 200-300 for these each. If I overpaid, let me know. And if I did, well I consider it "tuition costs" for my education. At least I knew enough to not bid on a fake 1956! I'm confident these are legit so there could be higher grade or even cameo coins that could make an unmasking very profitable. Or, they could all be toned so-so coins worth less collectively than I paid. Or, do I maintain some value through the mystery of what they could be? What would you do? What have others discovered opening sealed proof set boxes? Looking forward to hearing what you think and your stories. Thanks and have a fabulous weekend! 3FA9EDEE-0736-4368-8239-E1A86B44801C.jpeg
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    There are fake examples of all of the Mint Sets and Proof Sets from 1936 on until they started issuing them in the hard plastic cases. And yes that includes those issued in the pliofilm flat packs. I've never seen or heard of a fake set in the hard plastic case but that doesn't mean none exist.

    The only way you can tell a fake from a genuine set is by being familiar enough with the genuine sets to recognize a fake set when you see one. The coins are usually genuine, it's the packaging that's faked.
     
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  4. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Given the value of most of those Proof sets, it would hardly be worthwhile for the counterfeiter.
     
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  5. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Belatedly (out of town..no remote Internet), when saying/declaring "fake" we're referring to just the box and cells...not the coins. Coins appear genuine, proof, etc. I've not ever been aware or heard/seen mention of a boxed '56 set...just the flat pak. But someone said if 56 was in cello...the individual cells in OGP flat-pak cello like up through 64, would be fake...not correct...have several OGP 56 flat-pak sets in the flat-pak cello and quite genuine. Maybe he meant in the stapled plastic "cells"...? If so, agree...no 56 in those.
     
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  6. waterfallice

    waterfallice Member

    Mac, I think you are correct. A 56 Proof Set in a box deemed a "fake" likely has legit coins taken from a flat pack but the box and cello re-packaging are not. I collect original packaging proof and mint sets. It might be an esoteric corner of the hobby but a good specimen in my collection includes something of a balance between quality (and toning) of the coins and the quality and "intactness" of the packaging. Maybe there aren't many people interested in OGP sets but for me, a faked package is no different than a counterfeit coin.
     
  7. waterfallice

    waterfallice Member

    I hear ya, but I'm not entirely sure it isn't profitable for someone to fake these. The treasure hunting FOMO mentality of finding one of the few sealed proof sets left with a bunch of 67+ coins and or cameos might trick people into bidding them up. See this video:

    A crafty scammer would be able find cheap original boxes from previously separated sets and turn a $50 Flat Pack or an already cherry picked collection of coins into a quick $200-300 sale.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Oh I get it, but it doesn't stop them from doing it though. I've seen fakes of just about of every them at one time or another. Ya see, I collected original Mint Sets and Proof Sets for 40 years. I would spend hours at a coin show searching through thousands of sets looking for the nice ones, at every dealer's table that had any - every show I ever went to. There's lot of fakes out there.

    Their reasoning is quite simple actually, ya see, counterfeiters know that a whole lot of people think that way. And when somebody thinks that way, it makes it highly unlikely that they would even consider that the item might be a fake. And that makes it very, very easy to sell !

    The same reasoning is what explains why so many Lincoln cents are counterfeited. And I'm not talking about varieties and errors, I'm talking about spending change, pocket change. They make their money on volume, not individual transactions - arguably the most common business model there is in business. It is also why the lowly $1 dollar bill is the single most commonly counterfeited note there is - nobody ever even gives a thought to accepting a $1 dollar bill, they simply accept them. And that, is what makes it very profitable !

    Probably their single most profitable methodology is making the fake sets and selling them as "unopened sets". Those have been sold by the tens of thousands on ebay - and every other website you can think of !
     
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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    How do you make any money? If you don't put Proof coins in the fake holders, the only people you are going to fool are totally ignorant. If you put impaired Proof coins, you get the same thing. I look at the Grey Sheet and I see Proof set prices that range from $3.75 to $8.75 for the "dead years." Sure if you fake "No S" sets and the like, there is money to be made. But for most of sets, that are available, the upside is zero.

    It takes time to put this fake stuff together, and there is cost to making the fake holders. If time for you is like a prisoner banging the edge of coin with a spoon, to create a "no reeding quarter, maybe I can see it. But if you want to make $10 an hour, I don't see the advantage.
     
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    John you don't have to explain your thinking/reasoning, I know your reasoning, always have. And I've heard it all from a hundred different people.

    But take all the reasoning from both sides and throw it out the window - and what's that leave you with ? It leaves you with the fact, (and it is a fact), that there are lots and lots of fake Mint Sets and Proof Sets out there - sets that contain genuine coins and fake packaging.

    When it's all boiled down the real issue here is quite simple. One is either willing to believe that these fake sets exist, or not willing to believe these fake sets exist.

    Well, as they say, seeing is believing. Me, I've seen them with my own eyes, in person. And over the years, and it's been a lot of years, there have more pictures of fake sets posted on this forum than I care to count, like the one in this thread. And a great many of them were the ordinary flat pack sets.

    And what that leaves one with is a decision to make. You can either believe what your eyes are seeing, or you can refuse to believe it. And what anyone believes, and why they believe it - well, that's up to them.
     
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  11. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the reference. Nice sight to further your knowledge
     
  12. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    My mistake.
     
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  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    How were they shipped. My ma stored them in a Meriel cigar box.
     
  14. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    Back in the 1060's early 1970's these 'sealed' proof sets were all the rage.

    That is until someone opened a box and found that they were filled with metal . washers. That ended that trend, quickly.
     
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  15. steve westermeier

    steve westermeier Cancer sucks!

    That's my birth year.That price blows me away. If I could have talked, I would have told my folks to pick up a few........hundred!
     
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