New gothic purchase

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  1. Clonecommanderavgvsvs

    Clonecommanderavgvsvs Well-Known Member

    1B1AB1FA-156D-40E1-B310-AC30C3E97E51.jpeg D8763DCC-0FA3-488F-B892-6F03304EBF3A.jpeg F30A4163-96FD-46C1-8A1D-046B3621AA0D.jpeg I have acquired this lovely 10 nummii of Theodoric from vcoins. Being of the goth subculture I feel quite attracted to these guys. I shall use the seller photo since it hasn’t arrived yet but I’d like to do a little write up for this lovely coin. Theodoric was the king of the ostrogoths from 475-526, king of Italy from 493 to 526 and last but not least king of the Visigoths from 511-526. Spending part of his life as a captive of Rome, Theodoric became a commander of the Roman army sent by emperor Zeno to retake Italy from the Germanic king of Italy, Odoacer. He had made no waste in defeating Odoacer and in 493, while at a feast to celebrate a treaty between them, he murdered the defeated king and all of his most loyal followers. Now in charge of Italy, Theodoric expanded his sphere of influence by marrying the sister of the Frankish king Clovis I and sending his sister off to marry the king of the vandals, Thrasamund. He also had major victories over the gepids in the East and made a gothic superstate by bringing the visigoths under his control in 511. He died in 526 of dysentery, bringing an end to a legendary king. Theodoric was renowned as an excellent ruler and general and became one of the many heros of the Germanic sagas. Mentioned in the Rök runestone of Sweden, the Poetic Edda and in medieval German folktales, under the name Dietrich von Bern.
     

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  3. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I have an example of this type but for some reason it’s photo (along with several of my older coin photos) isn’t displaying properly so I’ll post my latest Ostrogothic purchase:

    Theodahad, Ostrogothic Kingdom
    AR half-siliqua
    Obv: D N IVSTI-NIAN AC, diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
    Rev: Monogram THEODAHATVS within wreath
    Mint: Ravenna
    Date: 534-536 AD
    Ref: Metlich 61; MIB 55b; Ranieri 287

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    And my Odoacer:

    Odoacer, Kingdom of Italy
    AE nummus
    Obv: OD[O-VAC], bare-headed, draped bust right
    Rev: Odoacer's monogram (letters ODOVA: “Odovacar”) within wreath
    Mint: Ravenna
    Date: 476-493 AD
    Ref: RIC X 3502

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  4. Clonecommanderavgvsvs

    Clonecommanderavgvsvs Well-Known Member

    Amazing! I’d kill for an odoacer. I think after I get a nice Frankish example I’ll go after him.
     
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  5. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    here's a Theodoric issue converted to a weight

    Theodoric_Ravenna_MEC145.jpg

    Theoderic. Æ Decanummium Converted to Weight (17mm 2.9 gm). Municipal issue. Ravenna mint. Struck A.D. 493-518. FELIX RAVENNA; Draped bust of Ravenna right, wearing mural crown / [Ravenna monogram in wreath; X (mark of value) at point of wreath ties]. COI 78a; MEC 145-9. converted to a two tremissis weight with the reverse removed and blank surface inscribed IS (16) in series of points to denote weight.
     
  6. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    [QUOTE="
    And my Odoacer:

    Odoacer, Kingdom of Italy
    AE nummus
    Obv: OD[O-VAC], bare-headed, draped bust right
    Rev: Odoacer's monogram (letters ODOVA: “Odovacar”) within wreath
    Mint: Ravenna
    Date: 476-493 AD
    Ref: RIC X 3502

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    I like your Odovacer Nummus above. Odovacer is of course a pivotal figure in late antique history. From the Byzantine Suda Lexicon, we know a bit about his family. His brother was Hunwulf, who served as officer in East Roman services. Hunwulf's father (i.e. Odovacer's father) was Edeka, a Thuringian and their mother was a Scirian. Odovacer let a group of diverse Germanic warriors, including Heruls, Scirians and Torcilingi (which is likely a later misspelling for Thuringians). (Thuringia is in central Germany).

    Below is my Odovacer Nummus.

    Odovacar (476 - 493)

    Avers: head without diadem. Legend (O D -) OVAC
    Revers: Monogramm of Odovacar

    I bought the coin 2 years ago. The estimate was EUR 50,-, but I paid 800!, which shows just how sought after this ruler is. At least, I believe that this is one of the best preserved examples on record


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  7. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    :) It has to be said though, that the Gothic subculture has absolutely nothing to do with the historical Goths.
     
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  8. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    The war dragged on for several years and eventually Theoderic and Odoacer agreed to share power in Italy. Theoderic, however, didn't stick to the bargain and murdered Odoacer, his family and his followers in cold blood.
     
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  9. Clonecommanderavgvsvs

    Clonecommanderavgvsvs Well-Known Member

    Yeah I know just a funny quip :)
     
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  10. Clonecommanderavgvsvs

    Clonecommanderavgvsvs Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the clarification
     
  11. singig

    singig Well-Known Member

    my only coin from this period , I used a description from Roma Numismatics

    OSTROGOTHS . Municipal coinage of Rome Æ 20 Nummi. Time of Athalaric, AD 526-534. INVICTA ROMA, draped bust of Roma to right, wearing crested helmet, pendant earring and necklace / She-wolf standing to left, head turned back to watch the two infants Romulus and Remus suckling; two stars flanking I above, mark of value XX below. Hahn, MIB 71c (Theoderic); Kraus 29; Metlich 84b; MEC 1, 97-8.
    This revived Senatorial coinage features the helmeted bust of Roma along with the ironic obverse inscription INVICTA ROMA. This series may therefore be rightfully described as the final issue of coinage struck by the ancient Romans in their own name.
    22 mm / 8.7 g
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  12. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    here are a few more that I have

    Athalaric_MEC132.jpg

    Athalaric. A.D. 526- 534 Æ Decanummium (18mm 2.1gm) Rome mint. INVICTA ROMA, helmeted and cuirassed bust of Roma right. D N ATHALRICVS S-C, Athalaric in military attire, standing right and holding spear, X (mark of value) in field. COI 85; MIB 77; MEC 132.





    Witigis_Met_92.jpg

    Witigis (536- 539)
    Æ 10 Nummi (4.63g 15mm) Ravenna
    INVICTA ROMA, helmeted bust of Roma right of fine style
    DN-VVIT-ICES-REX within wreath terminating in X.
    Metlich 92





    Baduila_MEC_162.jpg

    Baduila (541-552)
    Decanummium (16mm 5.1g). Rome
    DN BADVILA REX. Helmeted and cuirassed bust facing.
    FLOREAS SEMPER. Emperor standing right with shield and spear.
    Metlich 98b; MEC 162.
     
  13. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    This comment, though made in fun, got me to wondering what the actual connection is. The link, apparently, is a spooky novel published in 1764 subtitled "A Gothic Story". The allusion seems to be to Gothic architecture - haunted ruins - as a setting for ghost stories and more generally, to the mysterious medieval past.

    According to Wikipedia, the term "Gothic" was first applied to a type of architecture in the 1530s as a sort of insult, meaning that medieval architecture was barbaric, not as refined as either that of the Renaissance or that of the Romans. Prior to the 1530s, the architectural style called "Gothic" today was known as "French Style".

    I love Google :)

    https://www.bl.uk/romantics-and-victorians/articles/the-origins-of-the-gothic

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_architecture
     
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  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    A little Theodahad decanummia AE15mm 2.71g

    theodahad4.jpg

    Together with its tickets:

    - an older one
    IMG_20200617_120740.jpg

    - and a newer one
    IMG_20200617_120712.jpg

    The coin comes from a French collection.
     
  15. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    It is historically interesting that the Gothic bronze coinage became completely "national" after the death of Theoderic.

    Here is a Decanummi of Athalaric:
    INBICT - AROMA (instead of IN VICT AROMA) // DN ATAL - ARICVS - S C and value mark X


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  16. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Below is a 20-Nummi of Athalaric:

    INVICTA - ROMA

    The reverse with two eagles under a palm tree is somewhat mysterious. Some scholars believe that it represents the "ficus ruminalis". I wonder what the eagles mean?

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  17. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    This is the other variant of a 20-Nummi of Athalaric:
    IMVIC - TAROMA - star I star - XX value mark


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  18. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Here is a 5-Nummi of Athalaric:
    IMVIC TAROMA // DN ATHALARICVS V (value mark)


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  19. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    And here is a 40-Nummi of Athalaric. I don't have a better picture at hand and I don't have the measurements right now. However, this coin is unusually large and heavy.

    IMVICT - AROMA // XL

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  20. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Such great style. Ostrogothic coinage is so well curated.
     
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