True FS on 1943 P DD Reverse Nickel?

Hi I posted I won this coin on eBay awhile back. I'm looking at the steps closely. I see a nick on the far left side just off steps......see in pictures. Will this result in not receiving FS designation. The differance in value over non full steps 1945 P DD Reverse is huge. And this is a gorgeous full mint luster coin. What do you think about he doubling?

Thanks...

 

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can't say until we see the coin

 

Pictures are up now...

 

Depends on the TPG. I have had it go both ways.... I do have a few that I questioned as if they were FS due to a nick . I think it would fly by NGC maybe not PCGS...but again the grader himself may or may not give it an FS. MHO.

 

Is there a chance of posting a more focused picture of the CELLO and the word CENTS?

It's pretty fuzzy as it is and I would be interested in seeing the doubled portions a little better.

Thanks,
Bill

 

I think it'll pass, that tiny nick shouldn't hinder it IMO.

 

NGC is much more stringent with the full step designation and PCGS is more strict with grade of Jeffersons. I don't know if either would give it full steps because the photos are too small for me to make an accurate determination.

 

I would like to see the doubled areas also. I also believe a full step nickel with a nick, tick, cut, or bridge should be graded accordingly and given a full step designation with the problem listed. thanks

 

Honestly, I think it is worth sending in and having a go at a FS designation. It looks like it has a chance.

 

I'll try to get some better pictures up of the doubling tomorrow. CELLO is def doubled...very obvious esp at the "L' "L" and "O". And CENTS as well at the "E", "T" and "S". esp.Not bad for $110.00. I'm hoping it grades a 65...I think it will easily. But you never know about PCGS. Mainly hope it gets that DD Reverse and FS designation.

 

RockDude:

Best Picture my limited camera can get on the MONTE"CELLO" and CENTS...



http://picasaweb.google.com/rh28732/20091208945PDDReverse#5412935040359756834

 

I am sorry about your camera, but the photos still are very small. Looking at the reverse, I can see some doubling effect on the LLO, but it doesn't seem to match the ones in the CherryPicker's guide. The doubling seems to be in the opposite direction, but maybe the photo or my eye is the problem.

Jim

 

This is definitely not the better of the two doubled dies. I can't tell if it is the lesser doubled die from the pictures. The area to focus in on is the E PLURIBUS UNUM and not the MONTICELLO.

I am not at all sure that this is a doubled die at all without better pictures of the E PLURIBUS UNUM.

As stated though it is NOT the better one that is pictured in the Cherrypickers' guide.

Thanks,
Bill

 

I don't know...but the MONTICELLO and CENTS are the main devices of doubling in the 1945 D DD Reverse. I'm not sure what variety your talking about. Must be very rare. Anyway, on my coin MONTICELLO and CENTS are doubled nicely. I'm a happy camper esp because now after looking the coin over with a new lupe, I'm sure now I'll get the DD reverse and FS designation from PCGS. Very nice 5 full steps. Mine looks exactly like this one..only full steps...

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=21084&Lot_No=4077
Thanks....

 

Forget the FS, I'd worry about the DDR.

 

What Bill means is that your photo doesn't appear to be the main DDR for 1945P, which is designated as FS-05-1945P-801 or by old designation FS-5-030 or as (1-R-II). The coin you link to at Heritage is such a DDR. I agree that it doesn't appear this is what your coin is.

The other DDR he refers to is a lesser one FS-05-1945P-803 ( FS 030.3, 3-R-II+VI) where the doubling is mainly on the reverse lettering such as E.Pluribus.Unum. That one can't be confirmed or denied until larger photos of maybe the word UNUM. There are other DDR for the 1945P, but some TPGs will not grade them as such. ANACS may be your best shot if you want to send it in.

Please don't feel we are just shooting down the coin for "fun", most variety collectors are serious about identification and verification. We are trying to help.

Jim

 

yeah I don't really see any doubling on the coin. It is nice but maybe it's just the pics but I just can't see the DDR...

 

The coin is a 1945 P, you mentioned a 1945 D in your last post and that was probably just a typo.

desertgem fleshed out what I was talking about as far as the two DDRs that are of value.

Yours is not the one with the larger amount of doubling and that would bethe one with a larger premium value.

Your pictures are good enough to see that the doubling, if any is not the same as the first coin that desertgem referenced.

It could be the second one but E PLURIBUS UNUM would be the "pick up point".

There really is a fair chance that the coin is another misidentified machine doubled coin that got sold for $110 bucks.

Post the E PLURIBUS UNUM and I can at least tell you if you have that one.

Thanks,
Bill

 

Even on a very worn example, the doubling shows good separation on the lettering that is not at all visible on your coin. Here is a very worn specimen.

Bill

 

Jim,

I am not sure where you got your information about the FS 030.3, but the doubling is not on E PLURIBUS UNUM. The doubling on this variety is on the "LLO", FIVE CENTS, AND STATES. I own an NGC MS65 FS of this variety. Here is a Heritage description of an FS 030.3:

1945-P 5C Doubled Die Reverse MS65 Full Steps NGC. A solidly struck and frosty example, lightly gold-toned on the reverse, that has doubling most prominent at the lower lettering. Listed on page 130 of the 2007 Guide Book

Here are the photos of my coin.




The doubling on my coin can be seen without a loupe. I know the photos in this thread are small, but it should not be this difficult to discern the doubling in either variety IMO. I hope the OP got what he paid for but am not fully convinced at this point.