What happened to this coin?

I'm still trying to figure out how the "scrape" affected the legend and some of the field without touching the rim.

 

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Yes, me too. That's the hot one. It looks like it happened before it was collared.

 

But, that would still have affected the rim from the upsetting mill, wouldn't it?

 

Let us see the entire coin, front and back, better for analyzing and opinion. Good luck

 

Good luck is right. You don't need to see anything except what I posted. There is a huge clue right before your eyes. Toughcoin got the answer. I WANT TO KNOW the MAIN diagnostic clue that makes his answer correct.

You are looking at the unstruck surface of the original planchet. How can you tell the surface is ORIGINAL and not damage. The striations (lines) are one thing already mentioned. The letters look damaged because they are weakly struck - no metal filled the die.

What is the OBVIOUS clue to a weak strike besides missing design and marks left from the original planchet?

Answer in a few hours...

 

I tend to not disagree with you at all, but in this instance. I say this coin is as struck. The weakness of the star A and E are from not being struck up properly. What tells me the coin is as struck is the thin ridge on the edge of the E.

As far as the indicator to a tapered planchet. Is the fall off of lettering is the same as the slight taper on the rim. What I also see is a change in flow lines going thru the affected area.

 

I believe Tough Coins nailed it.
I’m also going with planchet damage prior to being struck.
If this were PMD, the relief areas in question would be abraded flat and you wouldn’t see the raised ridges at the edges of the letters and most predominantly on the star. The raised ridges appear to have been caused by the strike.

 

The coin is 100% undamaged and 100% original!

It only graded MS-64 because of the area shown. Now, let's stop the guessing as the correct answer has already been given.

What I am trying to show here is a very important diagnostic of strike weakness.

WHAT IS IT? Clues below:






The answer already given is original unstruck planchet surface. There is another important answer visible on the coin's surface.

 

Final clue:

F--- S----- F----

 

I agree. We need to see the whole coin.

 

Exactly. And look at that gap right in between the legs of the M and E, where are the planchet striations in that space? This wasn't from the planchet. I think it was a fancy tooling job at the Mint. They were fixing up this die and got a little carried away with it. Those "scratches" are raised, aren't they? @Insider?

 

What happened in the southeast corner of the letter 'M' ?

 

eddiespin, posted: "We need to see the whole coin."

No you don't and you are not going to. That coin is llloooongggggggone!

juris klavins, posted: "What happened in the southeast corner of the letter 'M' ?"

Already answered above. Same thing that happened to the "E" and top of the "A."

 

Are you trying to refer the look, color, or tone of the weakness, which is very different than the smooth look or flashiness of a scratch or damage?

 

Pickin and Grinin, posted: "Are you trying to refer the look, color, or tone of the weakness, which is very different than the smooth look or flashiness of a scratch or damage?

You are smoking hot and burning up the place...so keep going.

F--- STRIKE F----.

OK, this clue is too easy and it is a term probably used more often:

F--- Strike L.

 

The only thing that I can come up with.
Is flat strike luster, which usually has to do with worn dies.
It is a grey and almost lusterless look to a coins surface.

 

Flat Strike Luster. That is the "frost" that occurs on the original surface of a weakly struck coin or areas of the planchet that did not come into contact with the dies. It is dull because it does not reflect light the same as original mint luster. If a planchet has striae like the Lincoln cent, the recess of the lines will have this characteristic. This is a way to differentiate a line on the planchet that was not struck out and a PMD "scratch."

This characteristic luster is the clue that the image in the OP is not damage.

 

So was this planchet damage done pre or post upset?