is it a real coin or a fake?

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  1. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

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  3. hotwheelsearl

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  4. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC Supporter

    Unfortunately, I agree that it does not look real.
     
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  5. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    OP, what I see around the top of the horse was where I started. See all of the casting bubbles where it goes from devices to flat fields? That is very telling of cast coins. Then I started looking at all of the bubbles throughout. Next I see how recessed areas have no detail that should be there. They are all fuzzy even though there is no other reason why they should be on the coin.

    I just wanted to explain what we see when we say we feel its a cast counterfeit. There are other things, but those are the most common, easy to spot tells of these fakes sir.
     
  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks like a cast copy to me.
     
  7. ancient coin hunter

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  8. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    What is the weight and do you have any information about the coin?
     
  9. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    24mm, 17,5g
     
  10. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Where is it allegedly from? As in, what city? Syracuse?
     
  11. Bob L.

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  12. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    try to spend it
     
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  13. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Well, at first glance my thought was genuine--I don't see the casting bubbles. But if everyone else seems certain that it is fake, and a poor quality fake at that--take their advice.
     
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  14. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    This coin is ex lanz 150, lot 32 and is currently auctioned by lanz in ebay. I post a better photo of the coin.

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  15. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Lanz is too risky. Avoid
     
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  16. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    Here is the side view
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  17. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    And if the Lanz auction sells a coin, then is this a guarantee of the authenticity of this coin?
     
  18. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Looking at the new photos I believe it is genuine.
     
  19. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

    Whoa, here we go again with Lanz.

    To be fair, the coin looks genuine to me, but Lanz has sold more than a few high-end fakes (see previous posts about the Julius Caesar brockage, the Clodius Albinus and the Marc Antony legionary denarii). Although I've bought a ton of coins from him in the past, my faith in this seller has been broken, and I don't plan on buying anything from him moving forward. I certainly wouldn't risk money on expensive coins with this seller unless you do a lot of due diligence and are comfortable with the risk.

    Pity...
     
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  20. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    Up close sure does not look good. Pull back like this photo its less noticable. Still not a fan. If those dots are not casting bubbles, would they be poor flan preparation and very acidic soil leading to leeching? I agree the second photo definitely looks better.

    Even with the new photo, it appears lots of bubbles of missing metal, like rear horse leg, etc.
     
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  21. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    Does he sell any authentic legionary denarii? Every one he has listed right now looks bad.
     
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