First and Second Tetrarchy from Carthage

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  1. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    The mint in Carthage opened to fund the Roman campaign against the Quinquegentiani (People of the Five Tribes) a group of Berbers that rebelled circa A.D. 298. How it turned out-- “Maximianus Augustus, too, ended the war in Africa by crushing the Quinquegentiani and compelling them to make peace.” (Eutropius pg 62)

    I just got a Galerius today that completed my 2nd Tetrarchy from Carthage. In A.D. 305, Diocletian and Maximianus retired, so Constantius I and Galerius moved up to Augustus. Severus and Maximinus were appointed Caesars; which set up a bit of trouble from Constantine and Maxentius; who show up shortly on the coinage in late 306. Some of the issues have H and I in the reverse fields. These are the first letter of the names of the Roman gods Hercules and Jupiter (Jove). Diocletian and Maximianus claimed lineage with the gods- Diocletian was in the family of Jupiter and Maximianus was in the family of Hercules. Their respective Caesar was also related to the deity.

    "Where now are the surnames of the Jovii and the Herculii, once so glorious and renowned among the nations; surnames insolently assumed at first by Diocles and Maximian, and afterwards transferred to their successors?" Lactantius LII

    Also note that the workshops denote seniority--A is most senior and Δ is most junior.

    for more on the Carthage issues -- http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/Carthage/

    EDIT- I added the first Tetrarchy. These are only SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART reverses


    The first Tetrarchy-- Group 1
    A.D. 296- 305
    Augustii-- Diocletian, Maximianus
    Caesars-- Constantius I, Galerius



    Carthage_29a31a.2.jpg

    Diocletian
    A.D. 298-303
    27x29mm 9.3g
    IMP DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG; Laureate head right.
    SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART; Carthage standing facing, head left, holding fruits in both hands.
    In ex. A
    RIC VI Carthage 29a/31a​


    29b31b.3.jpg

    Maximianus
    A.D. 298-303
    28mm 10.4g
    IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG; Laureate head right.
    SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART; Carthage standing facing, head left, holding fruits in both hands.
    In ex. B
    RIC VI Carthage 29b/31b

    30a32a.3.jpg

    Constantius I
    A.D. 298- 303
    27mm 9.2g
    CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES; laureate head right.
    SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART; Carthage standing facing, head left, holding fruits in both hands.
    In ex Γ
    RIC VI Carthage 30a/ 32a


    Carthage_30b32b.2.jpg

    Galerius
    A.D. 298-303
    25x28mm 9.5g
    MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES; laureate head right.
    SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART; Carthage standing facing, head left, holding fruits in both hands.
    In ex. Δ
    RIC VI Carthage 30/32b







    The 2nd Tetrarchy-- Group 2
    A.D. May 305- July 306
    Augusti-- Constantius I, Galerius
    Caesars-- Severus, Maximinus II
    Seniors-- Diocletian, Maximianus




    Carthage_39a.jpg

    Constantius I
    A.D. 305- 306
    27x30mm 9.1g
    IMP CONSTANTIVS P F AVG; Laureate head right.
    SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART; Carthage standing facing, head left, holding fruits in both hands; H in left field.
    In ex. A
    RIC VI Carthage 39a​




    Galerius_39b.jpg

    Galerius
    A.D. 305- 306
    30mm 10g
    IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG; Laureate head right.
    SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART; Carthage standing facing, head left, holding fruits in both hands; I in left field.
    In ex. B
    RIC VI Carthage 39b​




    Carthage_40a.jpg

    Severus II
    A.D. 305- 306
    27x31mm 10.4g
    FL VAL SEVERVS NOB CAES; Laureate head right.
    SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART; Carthage standing facing, head left, holding fruits in both hands; H in left field.
    In ex. Γ
    RIC VI Carthage 40a​




    Carthage_40b2.jpg

    Maximinus II
    A.D. 305- 306
    27x28mm 10.5g
    GAL VAL MAXIMINVS NOB CAES; laureate head right.
    SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART; Carthage standing facing, head left, holding fruits in both hands; I in left field.
    In ex. Δ
    RIC VI Carthage 40b​




     
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  3. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Wow, such cool coins! I love that awful flan on the Galerius. Seems like those poorly made flans were rather unusual on these large folles.
     
  4. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    The ragged flan is a distinctive aspect of Carthage folles-- a result of the way that they were cast.
     
  5. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Wow, great set Victor.
     
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  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    great goal achievment V_C...my Maximinus (lst i believe) hails from there..:) Maxuminus AVG 001.JPG Maxuminus AVG 006.JPG
     
  7. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Mine was also struck under Galerius. Cohen 191.

    CarthGaler O  Cohen 191.JPG CartGfruit R    RicVI-62b.JPG
     
  8. Fugio1

    Fugio1 Well-Known Member

    @Victor_Clark fabulous collection. the Diocletian is near perfect in all regards. Of the first and second tetrarchy I have only Severus from Carthage:
    SeverusKarthageFollis.jpg
    Obverse: FL VAL SEVERVS NOB CAES; Laureate head R.
    Reverse: SALVIS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART, Carthage standing facing, head left, holding up fruits in both hands; H in left field, Δ in exergue.
    Weight: 14.15g.
    Reference: RIC VI Carthage 40A
    Provenance: Numismatik Naumann, Esale Oct 2, 2019
     
  9. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    I have always liked the coins from the mint of Carthage and managed to get this one
    Maxentius As Caesar Ae Follis 306 AD Obv Head right laureate Rv. Carthage standing facing head left holding fruit. RIC 51a Drost 14/14 this coin illustrated. 10.80 grms 27 mm. Photo by W. Hansen maxent5.jpg It would appear that when Maxentius began his revolt and then invited Dad to take part the good citizens of Carthage had no real idea of what to do. Initially the titles placed on the coins of Maxentius was Prince of youth, then Caesar and then finally Augustus.
     
  10. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Diocletian
    image.jpg
    Maximianus
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  11. Fugio1

    Fugio1 Well-Known Member

    Beautiful example @Terence Cheesman. The folles of Maxentius as Caesar from Carthage are quite scarce but also particularly interesting since it is the only coin issued with Maxentius as Caesar (other than two extremely rare Carthaginian gold issues from the same time period)
     
  12. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    A coin I sold, before deciding to collect Carthage by RIC number. One of many regrets in my life. :banghead:

    Carthage51a.JPG
     
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  13. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Don't have any Carthage coins! How did that happen?:confused:.....
    @Victor_Clark .....Lovely collection!...Particularly like the Severus:woot:
    Paul
     
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  14. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I had a Maxentius from Carthage too but decided to part with it as it was peripheral to my main collections.

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  15. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Lovely collection!

    I got a bunch in a job lot and the type grew on me...

    Diocletian
    Diocletian follis carthage.jpg

    (I had a lovely Maximian but regrettably sold it in favor of one with full silvering from a different mint)

    Two of Galerius as Caesar - Carthage holding two different types of fruit!
    Galerius as caesar follis carthage.jpg
    Galerius Caesar follis Carthage.jpg

    Severus II as Caesar
    Severus ii caesar carthage.jpg

    Maximinus II as Caesar
    Maximinus ii daia follis carthage.jpg

    My favorite is this Maxentius as Caesar, a white whale in my collection by title
    Maxentius caesar carthage.jpg
     
  16. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Finn235.... Cool coins!.....Not seen this Galerius type before...Very interesting!....Type of fruit?o_O
     
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  17. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I posted a similar Galerius in my first post-- Carthage 30b/32b


    Carthage_30b32b.2.jpg
     
  18. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Yes I saw......But obviously not grapes......Any ideas?
     
  19. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    likely some sort of grain
     
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  20. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    from the first Tetrarchy, some FELIX ADVENT reverses from issue v --

    Carthage_25a.2.jpg

    Diocletian
    A.D. 297- 298
    27x29mm 8.2gm
    IMP DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG; laureate bust right.
    FELIX ADVENT AVGG NN; Africa standing left, holding labarum and tusk; at feet, lion with captured bull, in right field I.
    In ex. PKA
    RIC VI Carthage 25a


    Carhtgae_25b.jpg

    Maximianus
    A.D. 297- 298
    28mm 9.7gm
    IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG; laureate bust right.
    FELIX ADVENT AVGG NN; Africa standing left, holding labarum and tusk; at feet, lion with captured bull, in right field H.
    In ex. PKB
    RIC VI Carthage 25b


    Carthage_26a.jpg


    Constantius I
    A.D. 297- 298
    27x29mm 9.2g
    CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES; laureate head right.
    FELIX ADVENT AVGG NN; Africa standing left, holding labarum and tusk; at feet, lion with captured bull, in right field H.
    In ex PKΓ
    RIC VI Carthage 26a


    Carthage_26b.jpg

    Galerius
    A.D. 297-298
    28x29mm 9.7g
    MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES, Laureate bust right.
    FELIX ADVENT AVGG NN; Africa standing left, holding labarum and tusk; at feet, lion with captured bull; I in left field.
    In ex. PKΔ
    RIC VI Carthage 26b



    and my lone silver--​


    Carthage_14a.jpg

    Constantius I
    AD 296- 298
    AR Argenteus
    18mm 2.7g
    CONSTANTIVS CAES; Laureate head right
    F ADVENT AVGG NN; Africa standing facing, head left, holding standard and tusk; at her feet, lion standing left, head right, with bucranium to left.
    In ex. T
    RIC VI 14a​
     
  21. mightyknighty

    mightyknighty Member

    just curious why all of sudden around 300 AD all of the roman emperors started to have a very thick necks? Lol
     
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