From my personal experience, I got really tired of the questions and proceeding arguments when a new person would post about their one in a million find in their driveway (referencing the above @Morgandude11 and @bikergeek posts) and then argue when it was pointed out that it was nothing more then a common damaged item. I guess I also got a bit burnt out on CT, and I took a break for a couple of years. But now, I pretty much ignore some forums - What's it Worth and Error Coins I pretty much keep away from like it's a COVID-19 breeding area. If I do go into either, when the thread started doesn't have an avatar, I ignore it, and I also ignore the "XYZ Coin with new mint error" (or the like) threads. I already know without reading those threads that A) the answer is almost always - "No, it's not that" followed by "Yes it is", ad nauseum B) - has been responded to, or will be soon, by other knowledgeable members, rendering the need for me moot. I'm glad there a new people/members coming here everyday, and I truly hope that most, if not all, stick around for the long haul, but I decided I'm not going spend my time filtering through the absurdity, lack of desire to truly learn, the trolls, or the thin-skinned folks that can't/won't accept reality, to find one or two 'useful' threads. I do think that some of the more seasoned members don't react properly to some of the very beginner questions that are posed by the new folks. I think they treat the new members with the least amount of respect (if any), and can't remember the stupid questions they used to ask when they first started in the hobby. It's like they're nuclear physicists, and scoff at the layman that asks them how does one split an atom. "Treat others how you would like to be treated" is not a Golden Rule followed by all here. Uncalled for disrespect. So by doing a simple thing, I actually enjoy my reading time here. I also have nobody on my ignore list.
Actually, you and some others do just that. I welcome and enjoy new members, even when they are as you might say, "idiots". They are gone soon enough, whether because they lost interest, or were scared away by caustic comments made by a few members here. I try to find humor in their failed attempts to glean information that confirms their view only. I've been called caustic before and have a low tolerance of stupid people, but I've never used my "ignore" button on any members and will in fact seek out those individuals for the entertainment value they bring to my life. A few actually surprise me as they learn and grow after their initial posts.
I think this is an interesting thread still! I did want to make a minor clarification in light of @Mountain Man and @Beefer518 mentioning the Ignore button: I didn't ignore the noobs so much as I ignored the smiting oldtimers. As an avid lifelong learner, I often consider myself a noob as I branch into new work, hobbies, and interests so I empathize with the questioners and appreciate their vulnerability to take a chance and ask. But I really can't stand a bully.
The common thread in most of these posts is that there seems to be too much Boob-Tube" info floating out there in the internet. Coin collector novices latch onto them before they discover CT, and are thus "infected" with the "get rich quick" disease (which they transmit on CT), thus infuriating true and devoted coin collectors who inhabit CT. It might be best to try to point out the pitfalls of Boob-Tube" to all the newbies, and go from there. Patience is paramount!
It's not always about you. I was using the pronoun. As: used to refer to the person or people that the speaker is addressing: So, I wasn't referring to YOU at all.
Think about this: over the past few years, quite a few very knowledgeable collectors have either quit coming to CT — they can be found on the “other site” — or cut back their participation here. There’s a reason for that — and IMO — it touches very close to Eddie’s point. That’s without all the attempts to start political discussions — in violation of the rules — and some of the idiocy that goes on in the general discussions and the game threads, which have been destroyed single handedly by one poster trying to pad his posting stats.
I do not mind "Newbie" questions at all, I was once one and had a great mentor. We ALL started somewhere. WHAT I DO NOT LIKE is the ones that have been here for sometime NOT doing his/her research prior to posting and then NOT listening or arguing with those that DO KNOW WHAT THEY SPEAK OF. No more 1969 pennies!!! Stay safe, get the shot, live life. Phil
I agree there have been some new members who are very abrasive by arguing about the replies/guidance/information they receive. So, if I read their threads I try to find humor in them, although sometimes it's next to impossible!! LOL I try to employ one of two thoughts in these situations. 1) Never argue with an idiot! They'll bring you down to their level!!! 2) I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed individual. The name of the OP is always available and if I'm not in the mood for their nonsense, I just don't open the thread. But, the last thing I want to do is cause a newbie to leave the hobby because of something I said!!! JUST MHO!!!
Although I am sure these things concern you, I am also confident that none of this affects participation or harms forum traffic or participation. People find communities that they enjoy. No newbie trolls affect seasoned collectors in the forum.
Just my two cents on the subject. I don't agree with all the comments on CT, but I don't disagree either. What I mean to say is that I glean as much knowledge when I can about the hobby from all posts in all the forums. If someone says, "I have an ancient Tiberius that's brass" and the reply is. "None were made for that emperor, only iron", I file that away as a lesson. The ensuing argument back and forth just reminds me of a pupil trying to push his/her answer to the teacher for a better grade. When a ID request is posed for say maybe a foreign and the replies vary sometimes heatedly, I still file it all away as points to look for (or not). The way in which a member responds is just part of their personality in my laid back view of life (as long as it's not the enemy, I'll jump in a fox hole with anyone). I agree with Eddie and all others on alot of things in this thread, but not every point. That's what makes us all unique individuals, newbies included. The same holds true for life in general, not just on CT. Anyway, in for a penny, in for a pound. Done running my mouth enough for now, just letting all know that you're stuck with me.
I have a strong feeling the owners of the forum might not share the premise proposed, as I personally find it is somewhat like trying to make CT closer to platforms maintained by Grading Firms, which I think are exclusive ( but like CT they have to follow the structure proposed by the owners). If that is how they want their forums to runs, that's what they want. Try to change it from their ideas and stuff happens. As long as you follow the rules here, (This very thread is an example), no one is going to kick you out. They may disagree strongly, but you won't be banished. The question is " Why if some members do not like such questions, do they still answer them ? There is no bonus other than increasing posts numbers, and (some people do like to get on the top 10 list), but that is a low reward. If I had to answer every question posted, I would move to a specialized coin forum(s) where the discussion is quite limited, but specific knowledge is still available. Some perhaps get their personal frustrations off onto others by typing 'snarky' messages to newcomers or beginners. I read lot of rather strange questions on off topic stuff by long term , known to be knowledgeable people sometimes also, and I am sure many of you think the same of me so [mime image]! If you want something changed, write to Doug and Peter and give suggestions if you want. Thanks for reading, IMO, Jim
Make an FAQ for standard Newbie questions and link to it for their starting questions. Something that looks like this => http://c-faq.com/
That is the source of your issue. Ordinary people bother you. You don't like people, especially mothers (or fathers) raising children, evidently.
So let me get this straight. You take what's a condescending expression and choose to interpret it as a strict, literal expression in order to give you license to go off on a wild, psychological narrative, unsupported by conduct, because that's your speed, the sum and substance of your juvenile ability to engage in reasoned debate, you've nothing at all better than that in terms of a reply to the issue at hand. Is that about it, Sigmund Freud? Or am I missing something?