Victory Visits Lugdunum

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  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Victory on prow is a very common Flavian reverse type struck throughout Vespasian and Titus's reigns. Some variants are scarcer than others. Recently, I was able to land a rare Lugdunese example.


    V1274a.jpg Titus as Caesar [Vespasian]
    Æ As, 9.30g
    Lyon mint, 77-78 AD
    Obv: T CAES IMP AVG F TR P COS VI CENSOR; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.; globe at point of bust
    Rev: VICTORIA NAVALIS; S C in field; Victory stg. r. on prow, with wreath and palm
    RIC 1274 (C). BMC 870. BNC 883.
    Acquired from CGB.fr, April 2021.

    This Victory type would be repeatedly struck throughout Vespasian's reign for both father and son, perhaps indicating how important it was to their military gravitas. The reverse legend variant of 'VICTORIA NAVALIS' has been traditionally attributed to the naval victory Vespasian and Titus won on Lake Gennesaret (the Sea of Galilee) during the Jewish War. This Titus Caesar As was struck in Lyon (Lugdunum) and is scarcer than the Rome mint varieties. IMHO, RIC's frequency rating of 'Common' underplays the rarity.

    Show your rare variants of common types!
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    A nice find David. That portrait is quite special.

    The right-facing version of this coin is very common. This left-facing variety is very rare.
    Domitian RIC 1085.jpg
     
  4. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Great coin David, I have a similar Titus type. 340.jpeg
    Titus as Caesar,
    Titus. As Caesar, AD 69-79. Æ As (26mm, 11.08g, 6h). Rome mint. Struck under Vespasian, AD 73. Laureate head right / VICTORIA NAVALIS, S C across field, Victory standing right on prow, holding palm frond and wreath. RIC II 644. VF Navalis.....commemorating victory over the Jews on the sea of Galilee.
     
  5. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Nice addition @David Atherton. I like the more expressive Lugdunese style.
    I wonder what the propaganda value of a relatively small victory in Judaea was. Is a general meaning not more plausible?
     
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  6. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Beautifull patina, David Like the patina on Ancient Aussie coin too.

    Heres a rare lefty from Augustus :

    P1190071 vergelijk.jpg
     
  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Great coin, @David Atherton! It's always a thrill to find a rare variety, particularly if its price reflects how underappreciated it is.

    This one has the rare cuirassed bust type; the usual type is a laureate head.

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    Commodus, AD 177-192.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.42 g, 18 mm, 12 h.
    Rome, AD 180.
    Obv: M COMMODVS ANTONINVS AVG, laureate and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev: LIB AVG TR P V IMP IIII COS II P P, Liberalitas standing left, holding tessera and cornucopiae.
    Refs: RIC 10a; Cohen 301; BMC 4.

    The only other specimen I have been able to find online is the example in the British Museum, which was struck with a different obverse die.

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  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Make no mistake, the Jewish War was no small thing to the Flavian regime! It was the dynasty's calling card which provided the military bona fides for their rule. A victory in the recent Civil War against fellow Romans could not be celebrated, but a victory over a 'foreign' foe (never mind the slight of hand that turned Judaea into a foreign nemesis) could be exploited to the hilt. It was the gift that kept on giving for the Flavians. One need only to look at the extensive Judaea Capta coinage for evidence of it.

    Now, is it possible that the VICTORIA NAVALIS types were more generic in nature? Of course that could be so (I take a minimalist approach when interpreting these types), but I really find it difficult to explain the broad scale of the issue without some sort of raison d'etre. As bizarre as it seems, the little 'battle' on the Sea of Galilee seems quite plausible as the source of the type.
     
  9. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Indeed, the broad scale of the issue is reason to doubt the idea of a more general meaning. But if we accept it as the victory at the Galilean Sea, it remains interesting what made this particular battle so important to the authorities.

    I have thought that this reverse might refer to the fact that the Flavians had restored safety at sea. But Victory is very illogical as a personification for stability.

    Finally, I want to make it clear that I certainly do not underestimate the importance of the Jewish war, but that I only had some questions about this particular battle.
     
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