1652 oaktree shilling

Looks like a fake to me too.

Tell us, is the coin flat or is it bent-looking?

 

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Ryan, there were nine obverse dies for the 1652 Oak tree shilling.

 

Yes, but only one metal used.

 

So, you are saying the metal composition of the OP's coin is different from Eduards coin and you can tell this " with out a doubt- it's fake " ?

I certainly can't do that. You still have not answered my question Ryan. I'll ask it once again.

What distinct obverse die imperfection is apparent is the OP's Coin which would lend pause for calling the OP's coin an obvious counterfeit ? Most counterfeiters of coins would not pay that close attention to this often overlooked detail. The fact that this coin , having the weights and measures within the appropriate variances, and the imperfection detail added simply says to me it is worth further professional opinions who have by far more familiarity with this issue, than you or I . I just can't outright say with 100% conviction that this coin is a counterfeit.

I beg the OP to provide additional closeup photos of the "tree" and the reverse areas, and some explanation as to how they came to possess this coin.

 

The final words of the thread and question "is it genuine" ? The Op informed me that they had taken it for an outside CT opinion. They trust this dealers knowledge. While all the weights and measures are correct, the composite is not as was opined by a few members.

Happy Holidays

Tom

 

sorry i took so long to get back. between dealing with sorting out my grandpas' coins/everything else and my computer locking me out of the site for some unknow reason just didnt have the time to find out y.

Ya we took it to a coin shop in town
they said it was correct in ever way but some how it was fake.

 

Did the dealer suggest to you what the composite material was?

 

Take a good look at Eduard's coin. See how it appears "bent" looking. That's because these coins were struck with a rocker press. They have a very distinct look in hand, and the coin posted by the OP doesn't look like a real one (although the details may match).

Here's a good summary: http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/OakTree.intro.html

 

p.s. here's a link to Heritage archives and see for yourself: http://coins.ha.com/common/search_results.php?Ntt=pine+tree&Ntk=SI_Titles&N=51+790+231

 

Thanks for the update, and sorry to hear it turned out to be a fake.

 

That coin is unfortunately quite definitely a fake, as confirmed by the O.P.

In fact, I think I have seen others of the same "type" around.

A lot of times we look at a coin and think, "well, that one just does not look right", but we cannot exactly describe in words just what is wrong with it.
The coin may have all of the precise die characteristics, no edge-seam, and even the weight may be correct (as this one is), but it is still "not right".

What we see as being 'not right' is a combination of many factors which are NOT obvious, and often quite subtle - surface quality, the cut of the legends, colour, 'warmth', appeal, etc. All of the above are suspect with this coin, unfortunately.

 

Personally, I have to bow to those who keenly observed the composite was wrong, which it was. In all honesty, I have very limited experience in handling examples of this issue.
Thanks for the education.

Happy Holidays.