Box of mystery (Hard to identify world coins)

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by The Eidolon, Apr 17, 2021.

  1. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Trying to ID some of my more recalcitrant world coins.
    Here is the offending box:
    Box of Mystery.jpg

    First one I tried is this: Copper, ~5.4 g, 25 mm. Appears to say 25 in Arabic
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    Tried a Numista search with paramaters for copper, 24-25 mm, 5-6 g, "25", and by dumb luck, the very first coin on the list (of 7 pages) was it! Afghanistan, 25 pul, AH 1348 or 1349 (2 year series). The date is almost unreadable, but I think I can make out a "9" ad the end, so AH 1349 = 1930. Not bad for a junk bin find.
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I'm interested in that large one on the top left. Can we see both sides?
     
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  4. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    This one? It looks like an ancient to me, if authentic. 18.76 g, 29+ mm
    Some sort of portrait on both sides, letters "SC"
    Quite thick and heavy. Doesn't feel like a modern fake.
    I know almost nothing about Roman or Roman Provincial coins.
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  5. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    Looks like a fun task.
     
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  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Yup definitely ancient. That's what I was thinking from the first picture. The bottom image is Tyche. I can dig around and try to find an ID if you want :)
     
  7. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    On the coin boxed in red:
    coinpile.jpg
    I can make out "la razon". Chile used the slogan "Por la razon o la fuerza" on their coins in the late 19th century's I'd start from there.
     
  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    @The Eidolon

    Philip I AE30 of Antioch, Syria
    Obverse: AVTOK K M IOVΛI ΦIΛIΠΠOC CEB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Reverse: ANTIOXEΩN MHTRO KOLWN D-E S-C, turreted and draped bust of Tyche right, ram leaping right above, star beneath.
     
  9. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    That would be lovely. I'll never figure that one out on my own.

    Edit: You already found it! Thanks.
     
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  10. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    You're right, nice call! It's a Chile 20 Centavos, 0.900 Ag. 23+ mm, 4.48g
    The eagle looks like either the 1852-59 type (5 g) or 1860-62 (4.6 g)
    The design is almost identical and I can't read the date at all.
    I'm not sure how much to weight loss account for due to wear. I'm guessing the 4.6 g one (1860-62) with about 0.1 g loss due to wear.
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  11. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    Man. A box of fun! :)

    Did you try cleaning any of them?
     
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  12. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Nope, these are as purchased. I don't clean coins unless they are literally encrusted with dirt enough to need a distilled water soak.

    By the way, these were purchased at all different places and times over a ~25 year interval. They are the ones I've set aside over the years as too hard to quickly identify.
     
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  13. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Here's one which has me stumped. There's enough detail on the coat of arms on the reverse to ID it, but I don't know where to start. Obverse has a bust and name ending in "S" followed by a Roman numeral II. Doesn't look like George II, though. Maybe 200-300 years old? 25 mm, 7.82 g, copper or bronze.
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  14. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Next one: 8.82g, 28 mm, copper
    Camera battery ran out, so sorry for cell phone pics.
    Looks to me like a George II halfpenny, possibly one of the many contemporary counterfeit ones. If real, probably the 1740-54 type.
    I can make out the Roman numeral II right of his head, but that's about it.
    My guess is contemporary counterfeit, although 8.82 g isn't that bad for a fake. Many were even lighter. Full weight would be 9.86 g.
    Feels a bit crudely made to be real, but hard to tell with this much wear.
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  15. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    This one has an odd wear pattern. There's a crowned monogram C, but everything around the center is worn down. Other side I can't make out any details.
    1.51 g, 23 mm. Feels like billon, but might be copper.
    As always, any suggestions and comments welcomed!
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  16. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Next up, copper, 3.57 g, 20.5 mm
    I can see some Arabic numerals on the lower reverse, I think 1173.
    My guess is Morocco, 1 Fals, Mustafa III, 1173AH = 1760 (Series lasted 1758-1773)
    Not sure it's a perfect match, but the reverse looks close.
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  17. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Next, a little silver or billon coin. Obverse is not readable, but the reverse has a lot of detail left. I read "3" at the bottom, GROSCH at the left, and the date 1725 around the 3. Coat of arms looks like Bavaria.
    I think it's a Bavarian 3 Kreuzer = 1 Groschen, 1725, Maximilian II
    Numista doesn't show a 1725 date, but Krause does. If it's 1726-1733 the ruler would be Karl Albrecht, but the last digit really looks like a 5 to me.

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  18. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Bavaria
    https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide...er-km-383-1715-1726-cuid-1139588-duid-1341075
     
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  19. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    This one isn't even all that old, just very corroded.
    I think it has spent some time buried in the ground
    18 mm, 2.27 g
    I think it's a Spain, Isabella II, 1 centimo de escudo, 1865-68
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  20. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    I thought this might be a Canadian token because of the thistle on the back.
    But it's a little small for a Nova Scotia token: 29+ mm, 2.02 g, copper?
    I think it may be an actual Scottish coin: Charles II 1 Turner = 2 Pence, ND, 1663-1668. Ob: CR II with Crown, Rev: Thistle
    Here's one on Numista. If authentic, it would be my first coin from Scotland.
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  21. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Last one for today: 15 mm (irregular), 1.58 g, copper
    Rev: MLNI DVX = Duke of Milan
    Ob: Some sort of bust, text illegible
    Based on the size and copper composition, I think it's some sort of Milanese Quattrino. Of those, the spiky curved crown on the reverse seems to be a closest match for Carlo III, 1707 (single year type)

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