So the pattern on the rim got me out In both. The bull coin I hadn’t seen before, seen horses. The chain link pattern and waves in the center on the second coin intrigued me. coin 1
Top one looks like Manchurian Provinces Year 18 (1929) 1 Fen Don't know about the rarity of these or likely authenticity, I've never seen one. I see no reason to believe that the second one is a coin.