Is this MS 64 grading appropiate????

I picked this up from my local coin dealer last week. They had it graded at MS 64. Do you think that grading is rightis right? I really like the coin and condition.

Besides the Lincolns, I think the Morgans are my next favorire series.

 

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If I had to go with one specific grade guess, it would be MS63. I do not share Doug's concern regarding authenticity, however - it looks genuine to me.

 

It looks and feel real, not sure I have ever held a fake. I have been looking pretty hard at it under a magnifier and comparing it to others. Never ever occured to me it might be a fake. I have only been doing business with this dealer for a few months, but they have been around for a lond time. So far I have had pretty good luck with them.

 

You assume correctly.

 

my 2 cents

If you have the coin graded by a TPG post it

 

Imo I think it's genuine, I couldn't find anything that leads me to believe it's a counterfeit. I see what your seeing though Doug, it looks like the 2x2 might be a little dusty, so I think it's just dust on the coin. Btw I checked the date with the die chips in the first 8 and the closed 9, I would be really surprised if it's a counterfeit.

 

I'm just not seeing what you are. We evaluate coins very differently - you look at the little things, whereas I look at the big picture. And the coin looks normal/genuine to me.

 

I'll see if I can take a better (more close) picture later on.

Upon looking at it closely in person, It does not seem as you describe, but you are going by my picture. I appreciate you all's input.

 

Maybe you can get a picture with it out of the 2x2. I see what doug is talking about and just wondering if that might help.

 

A coin that was struck on a rusted die will have tiny little bumps. Just check out this 1904-O variety. I just had a few of these last week.

Look at the 2nd picture on the page in particular.

http://www.vamworld.com/1904-O+VAM-1B1

Nightowl

 

I will, because the surface was pretty clean. It must be the 2x2.

 

That is what I was thinking - I had one one time that had dust in it that made the coin look bumpy and with little dents in the 2x2 cellophane.

 

If it's a fake, it's a good one.

 

OK, now I am worried. I got home tonight and was going to tak a picture, but can't get the right lighting, so I will take the coin to work tomorrow for a better pic. Doug, I think that is your name, you may be on to something. After a closer inspection with my eye piece and comparing it to others, I do see a difference. The surface is not as smooth and shinny as the others. There are little raised bumps in the surface, kind of looks like sand paper.

Now, this will be a first for me. How do I approach my loacl coin dealer? Will most give me my money back? What do I say?


Was he aware of this? Very discoraging for me to have to fight this battle. Takes some of the fun out of it.
This is assuming of course its a fake.

Hats off to Doug....maybe.

Also, I did not want to take it out of the original 2x2 since I may have to take it back.

 

The coin looks pretty baggy to me, and no, I wouldn't grade it MS-64. But it doesn't look like a cast counterfeit to me. It is a common date in a common grade. I'm glad you like it, and hope you didn't pay too much for it.

 

It looks authentic to me, but I don't think it would grade MS64. It is a little baggy and I see what looks like a fingerprint on the obverse. I would say it's MS63 at the very best.

 

Be certain to not be accusing when you return to your local dealer. Approach the issue with a sense of curiosity from the standpoint of knowing that cast counterfeits exhibit the same surface disturbances and ask him to re-check this coin . Let us know what they conclude. As for the grade, I would say the coin is over-graded at MS64.


Tom.