Septimius Severus Coin REAL OR FAKE?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ArtDeco, Apr 3, 2021.

  1. ArtDeco

    ArtDeco Well-Known Member

    Hello, I purchased this Septimius Severus coin from forumancientcoins and I'm aware of their relatively good reputation when it comes to selling authentic ancient coins.

    After taking a closer look at the coin, it seems to have a weird metal composition and just wanted some opinions on whether this coin is genuine or an electrotype copy.
    I also read that denarius coins in the 3rd century AD could have less silver then previous centuries in Roman mint but wanted to make sure.

    Here is the page on forumancientcoin from where I purchased it

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=&vpar=429&zpg=112469&fld=


    Here are some closer pics on the edges of the coin and close ups of the obverse and reverse.


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  3. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    For me......Real and a nice coin too.
     
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Looks fine to me too.
     
  5. PeteB

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  6. ArtDeco

    ArtDeco Well-Known Member

    Thanks!

    Would this coin be considered a "silvered" coin then, becuase it looks like a bronze coin underneath now that I realize it.
     
  7. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Where do you see bronze? Closeup?
     
  8. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Unless it's a fourree, there were no silvered Roman bronzes then.
     
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  9. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    I bought the one pictured below in a slab for $75.00 :happy:. They are common but interesting & historically important ;).

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  10. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    It appears just fine to the eye. And I wouldn’t worry with anything from Forum.
     
  11. ArtDeco

    ArtDeco Well-Known Member

    This picture makes it look like there is silver plating on top and bronze inside, you can see from the inside cracks it looks brownish like bronze.

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    The fact that it also looks different than the examples I've seen online (silver surface is grainier looking and dull)

    This might be a fourree.
     
  12. ArtDeco

    ArtDeco Well-Known Member

    Or it just be dirt that wasn't cleaned off, I'm still unsure about this coin, on the surface it has a sort of faked casting shine to it but is the right weight and does look like a genuine coin based on the edge cracks.
     
  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Coins of that era were very debased; often they had < 50% silver in the alloy. See
    Butcher, Kevin, and Matthew Ponting. “STUDY OF THE CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF ROMAN SILVER COINAGE.” American Journal of Numismatics (1989-), vol. 9, 1997, pp. 17–36.

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  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  15. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    I would be comfortable with this coin too

    Q
     
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  16. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Looks good to me. It could potentially be a billon limes denarius, if the weight is super low.
     
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  17. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    Just for the record, Joe (Forum) does not have a “relatively good reputation.” He is extremely honest, diligent and has an excellent reputation. Anyone can make a mistake but I would trust his “in hand” assessment unless there was overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
     
  18. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    I agree, Forum is one of the best pedigrees possible.

    John
     
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  19. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

    I'll echo everyone else's verdict as the coin looks fine to me as well. As @Roman Collector mentioned, silver coins had a relatively low grade compared to earlier Republican or Imperial coins, so any differences in metallic composition you see on the edges is likely just due to the alloy used.
     
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  20. ArtDeco

    ArtDeco Well-Known Member

    Ok! Thanks all!

    Yes, forum is the best!
     
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