Old time Indian Cent alteration

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  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I haven't seen one of these in a long time. The diamond has been reengraved adding design detail to the slightly worn coin.

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    Then it was buffed to blend the alteration. Many would think the coin was a red Unc!
     
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Intreasting,pictures of the whole coin.
     
  4. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Good catch and thanks for sharing!
     
  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    That is the difference between a pro (Insider), and a hobbyist collector (Me). I never would have caught that alteration.
     
  6. manny9655

    manny9655 Well-Known Member

    @Insider I'd like to see more of your quizzes. Why did you stop posting them?
     
  7. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Yikes! very clever.
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    manny9655, posted: "Insider, I'd like to see more of your quizzes. Why did you stop posting them?

    A few members called me a "know-it-all; :bigtears::bigtears::bigtears::bigtears::bigtears::bigtears: hated my image quality, and did not appreciate my :troll::stinkyfeet: method of responding to answers with more questions.:D

    I'll think of a new one soon.
     
  9. JeffC

    JeffC Go explore something and think a happy thought!

    In this case, would the reason for the Details grade be "Graffiti" or just "Damage?" I'm assuming, of course, that it would get a Details grade. Thanks.
     
  10. Insider

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    JeffC, posted: "In this case, would the reason for the Details grade be "Graffiti" or just "Damage?" I'm assuming, of course, that it would get a Details grade."

    Great question. Things have changed DRAMATICLY :( in the authentication business since the 1970's. In the early days, this coin would have been returned as a fraudulent alteration: reengraved diamonds! Today, coins as this are slabbed with a "details" grade. I don't like it. :stop:

    An even worse case is the Micro "O" Morgan dollars that managed to slip into the VAM listings for years. When they were discovered to be counterfeits there was so much :greedy: MONEY :greedy: involved that the industry has accepted them with open arms.
     
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  11. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't the Details designation here be "Tooled"?
     
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  12. Insider

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    That works also; however, I make this distinction. Tooling usually does not accentuate a design detail. "Chasing metal from the surface to make a "raised S mintmark" is tolling but it has a particular name. A "spot removal" is tooling but it has a specific name. That is the case with the diamonds. or adding hair detail.

    This is an extremely rare alteration (I've seen 2 in 50 years): The cap detail has been added to this circulated Bust half dollar. IMO, many would miss this one too:

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